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    Kitchen Table Practice

    So I wanted to get comfortable playing with high TCs, so I got an 8 deck shoe, and some poker chips, and “fixed” the deck so the first 35 cards were low cards, and now my running count is +35 almost one deck into the shoe. Good practice to know what it feels like to lose maximum bets, and buy in for substantially more than my initial 10 unit buy in.

    But I found that I usually lost the shoe, since the dealer never busted for those first 35 cards, and I increased my bets until I was ALWAYS deep in the hole to start with.

    Then I added mid cards to the mix. If I added 21 mid-cards, then after 56 cards, I had a RC of +35, and I averaged even or a little bit ahead to practice having an (almost) full shoe with maximum or near max bets out.

    Why do I write this? Before this practice, I was always very uncomfortable when the count got high. Afterwards, my comfort level was greatly increased.

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    But I found that I usually lost the shoe, since the dealer never busted for those first 35 cards, and I increased my bets until I was ALWAYS deep in the hole to start with.
    The scenario you’ve presented, though improbable, is possible. FBM probabilities cater to scenarios such as this.

    If I’ve read correctly, you increased your bet in anticipation of higher TC’s before they actually occurred. Further, you were increasing your bets before you reached the end of the stacked portion. - you were increasing your bets on air.

    Now, since you “stacked” the deck and increased your bets before the end the end of the 35 card stack - YOU NEVER HAD AN ADVANTAGE. The advantage comes from high cards coming out, therefore you needed to wait till the 35 cards were exhausted.

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    During hands where the count is rising, you are going to lose more. Small cards are bad for the player. After the count has gone up, your probabilities improve, but if the count keeps going up, you will again be tending to lose more.

    In shoes where the count goes negative, you are winning a higher percent of those hands because high cards came out which dropped the count and gave you a blackjack or busted the dealer or helped your double down, etc. Once the count is negative, you will most likely lose more, but if the count keeps going more negative, you will win more hands.


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    Once the count is negative, you will most likely lose more, but if the count keeps going more negative, you will win more hands.
    On a shoe with a monstrous -RC, translating to a monstrous -TC - a hand shuffled shoe with some degree of predictability - why Wong out if you can manipulate the cut for the next shoe.

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