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    Black Chip APs

    If your unit bet is $100, do you play $100 tables? Or do you look for lower limit tables so you can reduce your bet in negative counts?

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    If the rules are better, yes. Wong out in negative counts.

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    Depends on table conditions. If there are fewer people, usually then yes.
    Usually greenchip is enough to ward off people.

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    So I guess my question is really, what is the value of reducing a bet in negative counts?. If I spread 1 to 10, and my unit bet is $100, if I go down to a $10 bet, it looks like my spread is 1 to 100, since my max bet is $1000. It is great for EV, but looks terrible to Surveillance. What is the trade off?

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    So I guess my question is really, what is the value of reducing a bet in negative counts?. If I spread 1 to 10, and my unit bet is $100, if I go down to a $10 bet, it looks like my spread is 1 to 100, since my max bet is $1000. It is great for EV, but looks terrible to Surveillance. What is the trade off?

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    We heard you the first time

    It's a lot worse going down to $10 than just answering your phone or taking a bathroom break. Also, If you're at a $10 table, you'll attract more attention betting black than if you're at a $25 or higher table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Ed View Post
    If your unit bet is $100, do you play $100 tables? Or do you look for lower limit tables so you can reduce your bet in negative counts?
    If you are ever to reduce your bet in neg counts, then your unit isn't $100, it's whatever you will reduce to, maybe $50... $25 ?

    And I will add...
    I've seen a few posts from you in the last weeks/month. Looks to me like you are starting in this field and I will advise you not to start this adventure with $100 units. You risk a lot in the learning process. Start maybe with $25 unit and learn the basics of advantage play "inside" the casino which is very different than on a kitchen table or in books.

    This being said, like most people, I doubt you will listen to me.
    Last edited by G Man; 01-12-2022 at 07:45 AM.
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    At a $10 table, maximizing SCORE is achieved by using table min in all non EV producing hands. But, 10-200 creates a spread problem. Off the top with $20-$25 to table max $200 is a more acceptable spread to the house. Dropping to table min of $10-15 at let’s say -2, effectively increases your 1-8 spread to 1-20 and at the same time, reduces number of hands subject to spread exposure. Effect on SCORE is marginal - sim it.
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    Thank you very much. It’s not a problem I actually have, since my bankroll only supports a $15 table - just optimistically thinking about the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    At a $10 table, maximizing SCORE is achieved by using table min in all non EV producing hands. But, 10-200 creates a spread problem. Off the top with $20-$25 to table max $200 is a more acceptable spread to the house. Dropping to table min of $10-15 at let’s say -2, effectively increases your 1-8 spread to 1-20 and at the same time, reduces number of hands subject to spread exposure. Effect on SCORE is marginal - sim it.
    Another gambit that can be thrown in. Side games are mostly if not all, countable in some fashion. Some create positive EV situations in either extreme positive or negative counts. One particular side game becomes profitable at negative counts. As an example, take your off the top $15-$25 bet, reduce to min $10 and throw $5 on the side bet.
    BRING BACK ZEE

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