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Thread: Index to surrender 8,8 v T?

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    Quote Originally Posted by k_c View Post
    I do not think that the late surrender decision for 8-8 vs. T using HiLo is necessarily best determined by true count.
    I just cherry picked LS versus T from my data. Full set of data in a text file is here: http://www.bjstrat.net/Downloads/HiLo_88.zip

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    Count tags {1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,0,0,0,1}
    2 decks, s17, NDAS, 8-8 vs. T late surrender
    
    Cards Remaining          RC                TC ref
    (before up card)
    ___________________________________________________________
    
    102-98                   Do not surr       --
    98-77                    >= +3             +1.61 to +2.03
    76-9                     >= +2             +1.39 to +13.00
    <9                       No subsets or not enough cards
    k_c
    Apparently HiLo is not a good count for this hand, because this hand heavily depends on the density of the two cards 2 and 3, not that much on the density of 10s. Based on your calculation, I can roughly estimate a deviation HiLo TC index for this hand, ~+3.

    Also, I like the idea of using RC for this hand. For 2-deck games, I have been using RC for insurance decisions with a lot of success. If the RC is +5, +4, +3, +2, and +1, I buy insurance.

    For this hand, if the RC is +5, +4, +3, and +2, I surrender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    meaning I have to constantly vary my bet amount and hand number.
    Let us know when they back you off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    This is sharp! I really hope you can publish a new book focusing on 2-deck blackjack games.
    Very few of the classics discussed double deck blackjack as single deck was so available at the time. Even the UstonSS strategy, which you had to purchase, combined SD and DD. There were shoe players and SD players, and no real need to detail DD. In some ways, I suppose you could call DD the new SD. I just liked DD in the early days 'cause there was this really attractive DD dealer at Binion's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Very few of the classics discussed double deck blackjack as single deck was so available at the time. Even the UstonSS strategy, which you had to purchase, combined SD and DD. There were shoe players and SD players, and no real need to detail DD. In some ways, I suppose you could call DD the new SD. I just liked DD in the early days 'cause there was this really attractive DD dealer at Binion's.
    Was she a DD dealer regardless of how many decks were played?

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    Not my taste.
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    Surrender is your friend for this horribly negative expectation hand (8,8vsT). My surrender index for this is +1. I could go total mindfuck with this, posting my chart for this hand and discuss unusual deck compositions in which I would stand or even hit if surrender was unavailable, pointing out the impact of specific cards and subgroups, but I'm not going to do that. Keeping it simple, surrender if available at +1 or more, and otherwise grit your teeth and split it is the tried and proven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzan View Post
    Surrender is your friend for this horribly negative expectation hand (8,8vsT). My surrender index for this is +1. I could go total mindfuck with this, posting my chart for this hand and discuss unusual deck compositions in which I would stand or even hit if surrender was unavailable, pointing out the impact of specific cards and subgroups, but I'm not going to do that. Keeping it simple, surrender if available at +1 or more, and otherwise grit your teeth and split it is the tried and proven.
    But I believe this discussion centers around the ES index, which, of course, is much lower.

    Don

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