Omega II w/ A side count

[UncleChoo]

I've been using the Omega II count for years playing maybe 100 hours or so a year. This year I wanna get serious and have a real bankroll behind me and would like to log 1000 hours of play. I have no issues maintaining the normal count effortlessly with any amount of decks at this point in my playing life. I've been working very hard on the ace side count. I can manage both my RC and side count smoothly up to about 4 decks. When I practice counting down 8 decks things get squirrelly around 6 decks in. When learning a new skill at first it's fun as you get to see steady improvement. However, working on my ace side count, my practice feels like I'm at a brick wall. I feel like my practice efforts have diminishing returns as I log more and more practice time. As I dig through old posts on here it seems everyone is using zen or hi-lo (I know a few are using halves). I guess my question is does anyone else even use Omega II? Is the juice worth the squeeze continuing to push through working on incorporating the ace side count in my play? Thanks in advance for anyone's input!

[Barry]

You are definitely looking for trouble trying Ace side count for 8 deck blackjack for betting purposes

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[UncleChoo]

You are definitely looking for trouble trying Ace side count for 8 deck blackjack for betting purposes

I'm playing 6 deck shoe games, but practice counting down 8 decks. Not sure if that makes much of a difference to the point you were trying to mention. In theory I would just use the Ace side count for betting purposes. If I'm rich 3 aces, X decks in I'd add +6 to my RC and calculate a seperate TC for betting and then just use my original non adjusted TC for playing deviations.

[aceside]

I'm playing 6 deck shoe games, but practice counting down 8 decks. Not sure if that makes much of a difference to the point you were trying to mention. In theory I would just use the Ace side count for betting purposes. If I'm rich 3 aces, X decks in I'd add +6 to my RC and calculate a seperate TC for betting and then just use my original non adjusted TC for playing deviations.

I guess for 6 and 8 deck shoe games, it’s really a waste of effort using a level two count. These games are almost not countable by any counts.

[Freightman]

I guess for 6 and 8 deck shoe games, it’s really a waste of effort using a level two count. These games are almost not countable by any counts.

Oh shit. Suppose you mean that also app,use to level 3 systems. Wish I’d known that before all that winning.

[UncleChoo]

I guess for 6 and 8 deck shoe games, it’s really a waste of effort using a level two count. These games are almost not countable by any counts.

I have to disagree. The count system has worked fine for me over the years. I have so much time invested in it even when playing normal card games my brain starts keeping a running count automatically as I see cards.
I just know there is more to be gained with it by bringing in the side count. I have no interest side counting aces moving my feet all around or stacking chips in a cutesy way. I want to be able to do it all mentally while being relaxed and carrying on a conversation if needed. It just a pain in the ass and a lot of work.

[Jack Jackson]

I've been using the Omega II count for years playing maybe 100 hours or so a year. This year I wanna get serious and have a real bankroll behind me and would like to log 1000 hours of play. I have no issues maintaining the normal count effortlessly with any amount of decks at this point in my playing life. I've been working very hard on the ace side count. I can manage both my RC and side count smoothly up to about 4 decks. When I practice counting down 8 decks things get squirrelly around 6 decks in. When learning a new skill at first it's fun as you get to see steady improvement. However, working on my ace side count, my practice feels like I'm at a brick wall. I feel like my practice efforts have diminishing returns as I log more and more practice time. As I dig through old posts on here it seems everyone is using zen or hi-lo (I know a few are using halves). I guess my question is does anyone else even use Omega II? Is the juice worth the squeeze continuing to push through working on incorporating the ace side count in my play? Thanks in advance for anyone's input!

Its a fun count to use for pitch games, not so much for multiple decks. Even Bryce Carlson Says he swaps the 9 for the Ace for MD games hence Zen Count..

What do you mean by thing get squirrelly?

However if you use it effortlessly then i would just stick with it. The Ace Side Count for betting is very tough with Multiple Decks and takes years to master esp. if you use 1/4 deck increments..Only use the side count for play of hands for pitch games.. Most prefer a good Ace reckoned strategy such as the RPC of Wong halves..

Note: Your Ace Side Count is very important for betting. Be conservative when theres a surplus of Aces (played out)otherwise you'll find yourself overbetting. I subtract 3 and add 2 for the Ace Count for ao2 unlike Ho2 where i only use them at 2 each.But 2 each works just fine..

[UncleChoo]

Its a fun count to use for pitch games, not so much for multiple decks. Even Bryce Carlson Says he swaps the 9 for the Ace for MD games hence Zen Count..

What do you mean by thing get squirrelly?

However if you use it effortlessly then i would just stick with it. The Ace Side Count for betting is very tough with Multiple Decks and takes years to master esp. if you use 1/4 deck increments..Only use the side count for play of hands for pitch games.. Most prefer a good Ace reckoned strategy such as the RPC of Wong halves..

Note: Your Ace Side Count is very important for betting. Be conservative when theres a surplus of Aces (played out)otherwise you'll find yourself overbetting. I subtract 3 and add 2 for the Ace Count for ao2 unlike Ho2 where i only use them at 2 each.But 2 each works just fine..

Thanks for this! By squirrelly I was just meaning that's where mental strain starts to come in.

[21forme]

I guess for 6 and 8 deck shoe games, it’s really a waste of effort using a level two count. These games are almost not countable by any counts.

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[aceside]

Oh shit. Suppose you mean that also app,use to level 3 systems. Wish I’d known that before all that winning.

You won these 6 or 8 deck games mainly because you were lucky at that moments, not because you were skilled in grasping a level two or level three counting system. In blackjack, it is very hard to distinguish your luck and your skill level. It takes several years to figure this out.

[Freightman]

You won these 6 or 8 deck games mainly because you were lucky at that moments, not because you were skilled in grasping a level two or level three counting system. In blackjack, it is very hard to distinguish your luck and your skill level. It takes several years to figure this out.

https://youtu.be/UQv7Tr8HbGE

[aceside]

https://youtu.be/UQv7Tr8HbGE

This is hilarious! You can fix you hearing loss, you can fix your eyesight loss, but you cannot fix your stupid. I will have my stupid fixed next year. Happy New Year!

[UNCBear4SJ]

You won these 6 or 8 deck games mainly because you were lucky at that moments, not because you were skilled in grasping a level two or level three counting system. In blackjack, it is very hard to distinguish your luck and your skill level. It takes several years to figure this out.

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Is this one of those posts where you "intentionally" act like a moron for "entertainment" value as you claim is your motive in other threads?

Is 26 years of successfully using a level 2 count on primarily 6 deck shoes enough evidence for you?