Counting 10s only

**aceside** · 01-06-2022, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by quimera

It is correct, in the initial purchase you get 10 percent and if you lose the money they give you another 10 percent.

Are you talking about electronic blackjack? You can’t track your total loss on a table blackjack game because you can easily put your chips in your pockets. I am confused.

**Norm** · 01-06-2022, 10:04 AM

That's not how they count your wins for a table game rebate. If it were, you'd be committing a felony.

**21forme** · 01-06-2022, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Norm

That's not how they count your wins for a table game rebate. If it were, you'd be committing a felony.

What's a felony - putting chips in your pocket?

In case you didn't know, the forum has a quote feature to avoid such confusion related to responding to a prior posting

**Norm** · 01-06-2022, 12:30 PM

It would be a felony to pretend you hit a loss rebate by hiding chips. Assuming that were possible.

**21forme** · 01-06-2022, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Norm

It would be a felony to pretend you hit a loss rebate by hiding chips. Assuming that were possible.

I disagree. It's up to the casino to track a player's W/L. The casino made the promo and its rules. There's no law against rat-holing chips. Disclaimer - I'm not a lawyer. I only play one on TV.

**Norm** · 01-06-2022, 02:13 PM

Yes it is the casino's responsibility, and they do track you when rebates are involved -- which was my first point. But, if you falsely claimed you "won" a rebate and somehow got away with it, that is clearly cheating, usually for a fair amount when rebates are involved.

In any case, the casino tracks you. They may have a person record your results. Commonly you are the only player, so they just look at the dealer's chips. They may use non-negotiable chips. And there's surv. Try to cheat and you'll never get a rebate offer again.

**quimera** · 01-07-2022, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by aceside

Are you talking about electronic blackjack? You can’t track your total loss on a table blackjack game because you can easily put your chips in your pockets. I am confused.

I'm talking about a normal blackjack at a casino table, they have a 10 percent promotion when buying chips and if you lose your chips 10 additional percent refund.

**Norm** · 01-07-2022, 12:14 PM

Most commonly, an initial bonus is in non-negotiable chips which must be played and are substituted with real chips only after making a winning bet. Usually there are also additional rules on the loss rebate. It could very well be a valuable rebate.

**quimera** · 01-25-2022, 09:26 AM

hello guys, since I no longer have the BJ 2 to 1, I only have the 20 percent refund promotion, I think I can take advantage of the Over/Under 13 I saw a count in a book about counting halves but it seems a bit complicated, Anyone know Arnold Snyder's Over Count? Snyder's website has been offline for a while and I can't find the count online.

**Norm** · 01-25-2022, 04:12 PM

His website was hacked, but will return with a new look.

**aceside** · 01-26-2022, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by quimera

hello guys, since I no longer have the BJ 2 to 1, I only have the 20 percent refund promotion, I think I can take advantage of the Over/Under 13 I saw a count in a book about counting halves but it seems a bit complicated, Anyone know Arnold Snyder's Over Count? Snyder's website has been offline for a while and I can't find the count online.

Something I don’t understand. The 20% refund promotion sounds huge and it’s a lot better than the blackjack 2:1 promotion. Why not just explore more into this refund? The over/under 13 side bet has been beaten by many. Stanford Wong Professional Blackjack has the strategy for this.

**quimera** · 01-26-2022, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by aceside

Something I don’t understand. The 20% refund promotion sounds huge and it’s a lot better than the blackjack 2:1 promotion. Why not just explore more into this refund? The over/under 13 side bet has been beaten by many. Stanford Wong Professional Blackjack has the strategy for this.

actually the 20% refund I don't understand how to make the most of it, I regularly take advantage of the first 10 percent that they give me when I enter the table, the other 10 is in case of losing. Wong's Over/Under 13 strategy in my case I find it complicated because cards have different values 1,0.5,2 etc. and then I must do the conversion to real account according to the number of decks.

**aceside** · 01-27-2022, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by quimera

actually the 20% refund I don't understand how to make the most of it, I regularly take advantage of the first 10 percent that they give me when I enter the table, the other 10 is in case of losing. Wong's Over/Under 13 strategy in my case I find it complicated because cards have different values 1,0.5,2 etc. and then I must do the conversion to real account according to the number of decks.

Both the math and strategy for this game are easy. About 50% of the times you will win or push and 50% of the times you will lose; therefore the average advantage you will get is about 15% each hand. To get this 15%, you need to frequently buy in and frequently all in, so you will play like a high roller and be ready to hit and run. You don’t need to count cards, nor do you need any side bets.