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    Dealer mistakes...again

    I know we have had a number of threads on the topic of dealer mistakes. I had a minor situation that came up recently at one local place. Dealer made a mistake, paid my 20, which involved an ace against his 20. He hesitated and looked at my cards for a long second, paid me and then moved on. I left the payment there for an extra second and then picked it up. He begins to deal the next round and when he gets to me (second player) says that was a push, I shouldn't have paid you. I said "oh was it". He didn't call pit over or attempt to rectify the situation, we just moved on, but he did glare at me with disapproval. Three short hands later, I had a 18 while he drew a 17 and he picked up my wager. Of course I stopped him, pointing out that my hand was a winner. Of course a smart-ass comment followed, about how I managed to catch that one.

    Now, two things about this incident. He is a pretty experienced dealer and I feel like the second mistake where he took my winning wager was no mistake, and I don't like that. The second issue is that as I stated, he seems to be looking down at me now, which I could care less about, except for the fact that this is a regular place on my rotation and I play with him fairly regularly. He seems pretty familiar with my game and I have played with him enough that I would guess he knows what I am about and have never had any issues with him. He deals a decent game, with one of the better cuts at this place. I am a little worried from his re-action that his attitude may change as it seems like he is taking this incident, personally.

    So, it brings me back to this topic discussed a number of times. I mean, on the one hand it's not my job to point out his mistakes that are in my favor. And actually if you do so, you can end up drawing more negative attention to the dealer, so in a way, I was doing him a favor.

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    i had this happen to me but i wasn't playing blackjack.. i was about to get a huge payout in my favor +1000... the funny thing is pit came over to verify and said ok ship it.....ploppy next to me says its a mistake after i already take the payement...they take the 1000 back... they didn't seem upset at me more embarressed and felt bad about taking it back.. i said hey.. i trust u guys when u say i win i just think u know what ur talking about....i also say (to cover my ass) if i find a dollar on the street i pick it up as well and toss the dealer a tip... he smiles and says sorry to take it back and no issues further...

    i knew i was cuaght so i figured i would make a joke at it.. i try to blend in like ploppies... i wasn't "taking a shot" but you know how many times i have seen ploppies take a shot..... i would say don't worry about it.. i would of said to that dealer " i really didn't catch the mistake but i guess it was a party foul and tossed him a red bird" saying this with a smile. You should be fine, i would still play this guy but through him 5 bucks as soon as u sit down.. he'll prob forget the whole thing.

    you have much more experience than I but this is what i would do

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    Maybe he wanted a piece of the action?

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    I suspect that in a couple of days he'll have forgotten about it. I'm of the belief that 99% of the good dealers won't let something like this bother them enough for it to carry over past the day it happened.
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    KJ,

    Recently I wrote about a mispay in my favor at a casino that knows me well, when the dealer caught it, almost the same as your situation, he did call the pit and the money was given back, I felt very guilty as they, the pit, must have known I was aware of the mispay, I left the table at the first opportunity. This event changed my thinking on these situations, and now I will point out their mistake, but not if it involves another players money.

    KJ, I would be concerned about that dealer now, it would seem he may remember that incident and take it as a threat to his job, and look for retribution, maybe some nice tipping will heal the wounds, but be very carefull with that dealer, and even in that casino, for a while at least. Just my 2 cents.

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    If I know and like the dealer, I don't take the chips and point out the mistake. I wouldn't like for the EITS to possibly see his/her mistake and get in trouble for it.

    If I don't know the dealer, I couldn't care less. I'll give him a $5 bet at a + count.

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    I realize the profit margin is thin sometimes and the temptation is great to take the shot, but if it costs you your spot in that joint, say "Oops" instead of shooting yourself in the foot. If you are in it for the long haul, "You got that one wrong there pilgrim" is better than blowing off the joint or having the dealer talk about you on his break.

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    boss man do you play at all anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    I know we have had a number of threads on the topic of dealer mistakes. I had a minor situation that came up recently at one local place. Dealer made a mistake, paid my 20, which involved an ace against his 20. He hesitated and looked at my cards for a long second, paid me and then moved on. I left the payment there for an extra second and then picked it up. He begins to deal the next round and when he gets to me (second player) says that was a push, I shouldn't have paid you. I said "oh was it". He didn't call pit over or attempt to rectify the situation, we just moved on, but he did glare at me with disapproval. Three short hands later, I had a 18 while he drew a 17 and he picked up my wager. Of course I stopped him, pointing out that my hand was a winner. Of course a smart-ass comment followed, about how I managed to catch that one.

    Now, two things about this incident. He is a pretty experienced dealer and I feel like the second mistake where he took my winning wager was no mistake, and I don't like that. The second issue is that as I stated, he seems to be looking down at me now, which I could care less about, except for the fact that this is a regular place on my rotation and I play with him fairly regularly. He seems pretty familiar with my game and I have played with him enough that I would guess he knows what I am about and have never had any issues with him. He deals a decent game, with one of the better cuts at this place. I am a little worried from his re-action that his attitude may change as it seems like he is taking this incident, personally.

    So, it brings me back to this topic discussed a number of times. I mean, on the one hand it's not my job to point out his mistakes that are in my favor. And actually if you do so, you can end up drawing more negative attention to the dealer, so in a way, I was doing him a favor.

    Thoughts or comments?
    It happened to me many times. If it is a minimal bet, I will be honest. If it is a good size bet, I will take the money, play one or two more hands, give the dealer a good tip and run. I have seen surveinance came downstairs to take hundreds or thousands of dollars back. They always said they had it on tape. No way to argue.

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    U shouldve asked to see the tape, sounds like that table wasnt even being recorded, they looked desperate

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    I'd give him a few extra tips next time you're playing at his table. If something "goes down", you might be able to sue because he was cheating. The 20/20 hand, you didn't know it was a push, right? After all, he made a mistake, why couldn't you have? Then a few hands later, he tries to take your 17/18 win (intent), as well as him saying that a previous hand was a push (reason/cause). In my book, that's cheating (or at least attempted cheating) from his behalf.
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