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    The HC high and HC low strategies can be the same or different strategy in both CVData and CVHoleCard. In CVHC, you can use the Cover Plays screen to tailor the HC strategies without actually changing them on disk.

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    The HC high and HC low strategies can be the same or different strategy in both CVData and CVHoleCard. In CVHC, you can use the Cover Plays screen to tailor the HC strategies without actually changing them on disk.

    https://qfit.com/holecardingp.html

    I was referring to CVData - thought i bought the complete set. Didnt know there was a CVHole Card unless it is included as part of casino verite or CVCX??

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    Ahh, yes in CVData the Playing strategy is used when the card is unseen. CVHC is new. Email me.
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    The HC high and HC low strategies can be the same or different strategy in both CVData and CVHoleCard. In CVHC, you can use the Cover Plays screen to tailor the HC strategies without actually changing them on disk.

    https://qfit.com/holecardingp.html
    Thanks, Norm. In the meantime, I could try a first CV session playing a HC strategy, and it worked nicely. Concerning the HC theory, there are two things which occupy me: 1.) Is the advantage from holecarding without cover play really 10 to 13 percent (because Ken Uston only gave it about 5 percent in his book)? This is the reason I would like to simulate HC strategy in CVData, 2.) I believe Ken Uston only gave a (simplified) strategy which did not take care of upcard and downcard, but only of dealer total. But actually it makes sense to distinguish between dealer upcard and downcard, e.g. if the player has 15 and knows the dealer has 15 (Ten and Five), too, the optimal play would be to stand. But this would look only natural if the dealer upcard is 5 and the holecard is 10. However if the dealer upcard is 10 and the holecard is 5, mathematically it makes no difference but it could raise suspicion not to hit my 15 in this case. Even more when doubling down on let's say a player 8 hand versus dealer 10 (upcard) and 5 (downcard).

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    The link I gave includes a table of common cover plays with penalties. In theory, assuming you could see every HC exactly, well over 10% EV. But, that would mean always taking insurance correctly, which is going to kill the opportunity. You can get away with some goofy plays as so many players are lousy. But, clearly you are not going to hit a 19 vs. 20.
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    The link I gave includes a table of common cover plays with penalties. In theory, assuming you could see every HC exactly, well over 10% EV. But, that would mean always taking insurance correctly, which is going to kill the opportunity. You can get away with some goofy plays as so many players are lousy. But, clearly you are not going to hit a 19 vs. 20.
    Exactly. I would go as far as not hitting any hard 17 or more, just like in Basic Strategy. So as I understand the penalty table, not hitting hard 17, 18 and 19 costs 1.0 percent plus 1.2 percent = 2.2 percent, that means percent points in the sense that I have to subtract them from the 10+ percent for optimal play with no cover. For instance, if the exact advantage were 12.0 percent, not hitting hard 17,18,19 would result in 9.8 percent advantage (?).

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    Would have to be simmed along with the rules. And, you would always have to see the exact card, decide what to do about insurance, etc. And, you should take into account scouting time.
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    Yes, I will also try out Partial Hole Carding and different percentages of seeing the hole card and different flashing durations.

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