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    CVData and complicated Side Bets

    I am attempting to find the optimal play and betting strategy for a specific side bet that forces me to follow some unusual rules for counters. Putting these into CVData to have it help me crunch the numbers has proven difficult, and I hope it's not impossible. My first obstacle is to create a side bet (in this instance, whether or not you push with the dealer) that I will only participate in if the count is <-4 or >4. I cannot seem to find a way to do this, as to program just participating in the side bet if the count is 4 or more requires me to use 5 Side Bet tabs, and to merge them. I cannot seem to merge tabs into separate groups to assign separate parameters for when to bet with them if more than one side bet parameter needs multiple tabs to be programmed.

    My second obstacle comes with being able to implement a bet spread. Due to the strange nature of the focus of my play, I need to test spreading my bet out from 0 to both negative and positive counts, ramping up to max bet at both -5 and +5. However, whenever I attempt to have more than 9 rows in the bet spread, I get an error that states "Run-time error '9': Subscript out of range", and the program crashes. I can't really think of a way to get around this.

    The closest thing to a work around I can think of is to have two separate hands that are playing two separate strategies, one that plays if the count is negative, and one that plays if the count is 0 or more, then finding the average of the two's performance. The data from this would be at best absolutely unreliable dogshit, so I would prefer not to.

    I would appreciate assistance in my ridiculous endeavor if anyone has the knowledge to help.
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    I hadn't run across a SB that required both upper and lower TC counts plus merged rule sets. Not supported now. Not hard to implement. Th bet spread problem I've never seen. Go to Tools-Export, create an export file and email it.
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    One side bet that can be played at an advantage in both very high and very low true counts is Perfect Pairs.
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    The key word is "very". You shouldn't be at a table with that low a count anyhow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    The key word is "very". You shouldn't be at a table with that low a count anyhow.
    You're heads up, not another game available within any appreciable distance - conditions are excellent otherwise - are you going to leave this potential gem.

    Of course not, especially utilizing the regaled FBM ASC Advanced

    I recently played an out of town absolutely excellent $100 min 6d game under this situation. Perseverance added 6k to my personal relief fund. Total play time was maybe 2 hours. I plough through these things all of the time.

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    I'd be surprised you hit any count that low in two hours, unless the payoff table is much better than what I'm used to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davethebuilder View Post
    One side bet that can be played at an advantage in both very high and very low true counts is Perfect Pairs.
    I haven't encountered that side bet, so I haven't done any theorizing or testing on it. How low or high are we talking? With PYL it becomes profitable once you hit -3 if you play with an index with it in mind. Because of this it would make great cover in my opinion. And I haven't fully optimized this side bet yet so I'm not sure how much better I can make my strategy for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AerialSnack View Post
    I haven't encountered that side bet, so I haven't done any theorizing or testing on it. How low or high are we talking? With PYL it becomes profitable once you hit -3 if you play with an index with it in mind. Because of this it would make great cover in my opinion. And I haven't fully optimized this side bet yet so I'm not sure how much better I can make my strategy for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    depending on weather boyfriend is betting and how much.
    In which weather did he bet the most?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AerialSnack View Post
    I haven't encountered that side bet, so I haven't done any theorizing or testing on it. How low or high are we talking? With PYL it becomes profitable once you hit -3 if you play with an index with it in mind. Because of this it would make great cover in my opinion. And I haven't fully optimized this side bet yet so I'm not sure how much better I can make my strategy for it.
    Perfect Pairs was invented in Australia and is mainly found on our Blackjack tables. The house edge is a function of the number of decks and the pay table, but, in practical terms, I'm not aware of any way to beat it. You would need to run simulations to get an answer to your question. Years ago I had a True Count of 12 towards the end of a six deck shoe and the pairs were coming out very regularly...but it only happened once.
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