Manually calculating betspreads and RoR?

**joeAsecas** · 09-19-2021, 08:33 PM

I am a 19 year old novice at card counting (18 is the legal age to enter casinos here in mexico). I played a few months as a gambler before discovering counting as a way to gain an edge. After it, I stopped going to casinos and comitted to learning and training. Being a little bit attracted to a mental challenge i decided to use hi opt 2 as my first counting method (with ASC). So far my training is going well, being able to count a full deck within 30 seconds. I also use the Casino verite games phone app side counting aces up to 8 decks. I feel like my game is almost ready for casino play but i will not go until i add at list the illustrious 18 indexes to my play (i also don't have my full initial bankroll ready hahaha, so while i get the money i still have plenty of time to practice). Now here comes the problem, my initial bankroll will be of 40,000 mexican pesos (roughly 2,000 dollars). The minimum bet in almost every mexican casino is 50 mexican pesos (2.5 dollars aprox). I want to get cvcx to calculate my betspread and risk easily, but right now i am focusing on earning the larger amount which is my bankroll, being temporarily unable to buy cvcx. Is there a way to calculate risk and betspreads manually? Just this first time, for the sake of adding the betspread to my training (because i play in the app making random betspreads on high counts hahah) if there is not, then i am willing to buy cvcx right now even if that means extending my bankroll earning time, but i hope there is a way. Needless to say, if you have any advice for me regarding other things not related with betspreads and risk, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for reading.

**PitBoss321** · 09-20-2021, 02:13 PM

There isn't really a way to calculate that for yourself for blackjack, it's a complicated game.

But if you post the rules you'll be playing, the conditions of the game, I (among many others) could run a sim for you on CVCX.

**joeAsecas** · 09-21-2021, 11:17 AM

Thanks for helping pitboss, if you can then it would be great, my rules are S17, DAS, Double on any first two cards, No Ace resplitting nor hitting split aces, Late surrender allowed (I think it is early surrender but this confuses me a little bit), Blackjack pays 3 to 2.
I will play two different games, same rules but a 6 deck with one and a half decks penetration and an 8 deck with two decks penetration.

**aceside** · 09-21-2021, 11:32 AM

It’s just too early for a 19 year old to learn gambling, in my opinion. Also, blackjack rules have been changing all the time.

**DSchles** · 09-21-2021, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by joeAsecas

(I think it is early surrender but this confuses me a little bit),

The difference between the two is enormous, so before any sim can be done, you HAVE to know which it is. With ES, you may surrender your hand BEFORE the dealer checks to see if he has a blackjack. With LS, when the dealer shows an ace or ten, he will first check to see if he has a blackjack. If he does, you may NOT surrender your hand.

Don

**Freightman** · 09-21-2021, 01:02 PM

[QUOTE=DSchles;299770]The difference between the two is enormous, so before any sim can be done, you HAVE to know which it is. With ES, you may surrender your hand BEFORE the dealer checks to see if he has a blackjack. With LS, when the dealer shows an ace or ten, he will first check to see if he has a blackjack. If he does, you may NOT surrender your hand.

Still having lunch. OP suggest .33 House edge. Since Wizard of Odds does not provide cost on full ES, then .33 is still one hell of a game. If Full ES, then it’s magnificent.

Don[/QUOTE

Like I said, still having lunch you’ll figure out my comments

**joeAsecas** · 09-21-2021, 03:00 PM

Now i understand, it is early surrender, but not against an ace upcard, only tens and any other card. Against ace you can only insure and then late surrender if there was no blackjack. So maybe the house advantage is a bit less? also, what does FBM mean hahaha? About the ace sidecount i am going well, but still slow at adding them to the count for betting.

**aceside** · 09-21-2021, 05:40 PM

I am confused here. Do people in Mexico speak this good English? I have been criticized a lot for my English problems on every forums.

**joeAsecas** · 09-21-2021, 07:42 PM

Maybe not that much, but people who have access to a decent education know the basics. I know a bit more because i like to study on my own and i also have some friends in the U.S. but my pronunciation is not that good. Good side is you can't hear me speaking hahaha.

**21forme** · 09-22-2021, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by aceside

I am confused here.

You are confused everywhere.

**aceside** · 09-23-2021, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by 21forme

You are confused everywhere.

Where are these casinos in Mexico? I can drive into Mexico but but have never thought of gambling there. All my worries were whether my car would be robbed or not. Has anybody played blackjack there?

**DSchles** · 09-21-2021, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by joeAsecas

So maybe the house advantage is a bit less?

The house edge is a LOT less! Whereas that edge isn't all that meaningful, because the rules take on very different values for the card counter, the starting disadvantage for the basic strategy player for the game you describe is 0.157%.

Don

**joeAsecas** · 09-21-2021, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by DSchles

the game you describe is 0.157%.

So I guess for a newbie like me beating this game is going to be easier than if I started at a game with some terrible rules. Still my skill is the one that is going to speak for me this time. What type of spread should i use? I am looking for the lowest risk possible even if EV is not great at the beggining, I can make aggressive betspreads later when my slowly growing bankroll can survive them.