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Thread: The Grind of Wonging In vs. Playing DD and Wonging Out

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    The Grind of Wonging In vs. Playing DD and Wonging Out

    I have tried Wonging in, but don’t have the time when I visit Vegas. Some APs have said it takes hours to find the right shoe and sometimes it doesn’t happen all day. Then there is the art of the search itself so you don’t attract attention. When I have tried I noticed the pit pick up on me so I abandoned my search and played DD.
    I would think Wonging in would be the best EV an AP can have, but there must be an art to the cover and style. If I play DD short sessions and Wong out I can play more often and the good counts are going to happen. So does anyone think Wonging in with long searching is better? There are also many places that have no mid shoe entry anyway. I have much more fun playing DD and Wonging out.

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    I feel the same. Can the vets here give us some advice on how to back-count without drawing attention to oneself?

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    I'm no pro, but based on my experience, Wonging out on 2d seems impractical given the swings/frequency of the count. If you're not going to find a 2d with decent penetration and only one other, two at most, players, you might as well back count a shoe and Wong in, or at least start at the top, and Wong out aggressively. I think it helps if you don't back count for more than a deck, since once it goes TC -1 or lower, it rarely seems to come back enough to make it worth the exposure of standing there, or floating between two adjacent tables, for more than 5-10 minutes. Others may feel differently, so I too am interested on others' approaches.

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    IMHO, it can depend a lot on the layout of the individual casino. If it has multiple pits with DD tables, out of sight of each other, you could probably bounce around for a while, wonging out, without attracting much attention. If the tables are all close, you'll stick out a lot more.

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    I can't imagine wonging in for very long at DD tables. On 6D tables, the conditions I look for are; many tables open in several pits (hopefully not next to each other), crowded aisles, and tables that are not so crowded that you can't get a seat. In these kinds of conditions, it has never taken me hours to find playable shoes, but you will spend a lot of time on your feet.

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    If I am at a DD table with 2 others and 7 or 8 high cards come out, I go to the rest room. I just jump up like it's an emergrncy and leave. I come back and do another shuffle. I might find 2-3 excuses in a fairly short session if the count suddenly drops. I probably won the bet since high cards came so I am taking a break on a win and never had a problem. When I return the remaining players say It was good for me that I left......I knew that when I left.
    i would like to add Wonging in to my game, but I don't feel confident and don't have time to mess up while I could be doing good playing DD.

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    ATTENTION, THE SECRET TO BACK-COUNTING WILL BE REVEALED:












    Just do it. Ignore the floor, ignore the dealer, ignore the ploppies. Just stand behind the table, count the cards, and jump in. I literally have never been backed off for wonging, and I do it all the time.
    The Cash Cow.

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    Good stuff moo. Just what I needed to hear. I will not be worried about anyone while I count down a shoe and jump in ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baberuth View Post
    Good stuff moo. Just what I needed to hear. I will not be worried about anyone while I count down a shoe and jump in ever again.
    Agreed.

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    Also, as far as wonging out, just do that too. Don't comment, just stand up and leave. Maybe say something like "hold my spot" so they know you're coming back, although leaving some chips will usually accomplish this.

    If someone asks, often times it's best not to respond. Just look at them like they're crazy for asking you something about your personal life.

    If you HAVE to give a reason, THEN claim bathroom, phone call, whatever. But don't volunteer a reason. Just get up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moo321 View Post
    Also, as far as wonging out, just do that too. Don't comment, just stand up and leave. Maybe say something like "hold my spot" so they know you're coming back, although leaving some chips will usually accomplish this.
    I completely agree. New counters feel like they have to explain themselves all the time, whether it's taking a break, playing a hand, etc. When an average player has to go the bathroom, they just leave the table and/or ask to hold the spot. I've never had a dealer or PB ask me why I was getting up from the table. If you say "hold my spot" and then jump on a call or walk directly to the bathroom, it's a pretty safe bet that they know your reason for getting up.
    "There is no passion to be found playing small, in settling for a life that is less than the one you are capable of living."

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    Wonging in - exactly what moo said.

    Wonging out - just stand up and head towards the bathroom. If you don't have chips on the table, tell the dealer to save your spot.

    Or pick up your phone, put it in your ear, and walk away.

    Edit: didn't realize NT already said that.

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