baccarat?

[steveistheman84]

is it beatable? can i break even or lower house edge? thanks for any replies.

[Three]

That depends on what you call beatable. Some bets in Baccarat are countable but limits and low frequency of spotting advantage situations and weak edges make them unappealing. Basically "beatable" but not worth it. There may be some plays I don't know about but that was my assessment when I analyzed things a few years ago.

[moo321]

There's some ways to beat baccarat. Not counting the main game, though. And I'm not talking about the other ways, and they're nearly impossible to find.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Yes, the House Edge absolutely can be reduced by Card Counting.

However, swinging the advantage to you is an uncommon occurrence.

[seriousplayer]

is it beatable? can i break even or lower house edge? thanks for any replies.

Statement: For all or most casino games, the casino either wins more bets or takes a cut of the winning bets. Taking a cut of the winning bets is like losing when you win.

In Baccarat the casino takes a cut of the winning bets when you bet on Banker by charging you a 5% commission. One thing I would do is increase your comps and perks in order to overcome the 5% commission. Second is used edge sorting to determine whether the face down card is low or high by observing and taking advantage of unintentional patterns on the back of some cards used in Baccarat. Third, I would exploit Baccarat side bets by side counting it.

[Banker]

The cards are discarded after the shoe if players were allowed to touch them. So, edge sorting is not possible.

[seriousplayer]

The cards are discarded after the shoe if players were allowed to touch them. So, edge sorting is not possible.

What I mean is sometimes the cards the casino use are defective depending on who manufacture the playing card and results in patterns on the back of the cards used.

[Banker]

Yes, but unless you had an inside deal with the manufacturer to make specific cards have specific patterns you will not be able to exploit the fact that some cards's back are different from others. In the case of Phil Ivey, he had a deal with the casino to keep using the same cards. The casino obliged because he was playing high stakes.

[moo321]

Wow. I'm going to hurt some feelings here. But it's because I care about, and like helping new people.

In this thread, I first say "you can beat it, but it shouldn't be discussed"

Then, people come along and tell the move.

Then they come along and tell the SPECIFIC VULNERABILITY! And even better, they give PROCEDURES to stop the play!

The best part? It's ON THE PUBLIC FORUM!

And we wonder why games get killed, and we wonder why few top pros post on public forums.

[Banker]

Not sure what you "all capital" about? the Phill Ivy case is a public information.

[moo321]

Not sure what you "all capital" about? the [deleted by me] is public information.

1. Public info =/= well-known by all casino employees
2. Knowing the move is valuable, but exposes the game to some risk
3. Knowing the vulnerability is valuable, but exposes the game to a lot of risk
4. Knowing the protection procedures offers us no value, and exposes the game to extreme risk.

You're literally giving them the playbook (questionable), and how they can beat the play (incredibly, unbelievably foolish)!

[Three]

Not sure what you "all capital" about? the Phill Ivy case is a public information.

You assume every casino wised up but that is not the case. It may be the case shortly with all the loose lips around here. Protect the games. Share sensitive info privately within your network.

[Banker]

What I said is what happened already in casinos. Casino people do not need to come here to hear about card marking the oldest trick in the book. Please, get real pal.