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    Manual Shuffle AND Machine Shuffle

    Apparently some casinos perform a mini manual shuffle followed by the putting the cards in an automatic shuffler. Anybody know why? Sounds like Overkill? Pun intended.

    No chance that the automatic shuffler is not really shuffling, correct?

    Why the seemingly redundant shuffling?

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    I asked a dealer about it and she said there were some phone camera apps that could recognize irregularities in the "shark fins" -- the lines that typically cross the edge of a card. They do a mini shuffle to change the orientation of some cards (turning the piles before the riffle) so different edges on random cards will be displayed on the next deal. Whether that is true or not I've not investigated, merely what I was told.

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    Just another example of how casinos cutting into their profits by not understanding their own games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overkill View Post
    Apparently some casinos perform a mini manual shuffle followed by the putting the cards in an automatic shuffler. Anybody know why? Sounds like Overkill? Pun intended.

    No chance that the automatic shuffler is not really shuffling, correct?

    Why the seemingly redundant shuffling?
    This is normal though. You see the dealer always randomly insert the unplayed cards into different deck levels of the played cards when a shoe is finished. Human are way more smarter than a machine. They can find the the rhythm of the shuffle machine easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    You see the dealer always randomly insert the unplayed cards into different deck levels of the played cards when a shoe is finished.
    NOT always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    They can find the the rhythm of the shuffle machine easily.
    I'm skeptical. Please explain what the "rhythm of the shuffle machine" is; how knowing it helps the player; what else the player has to know in order to use this info (e.g. which card plugs are high card heavy or light); and if this has been publicly simmed and/or published.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21frogman View Post
    I'm skeptical. Please explain what the "rhythm of the shuffle machine" is; how knowing it helps the player; what else the player has to know in order to use this info (e.g. which card plugs are high card heavy or light); and if this has been publicly simmed and/or published.
    rhythm of the shuffle machine" is;
    listen, listen to the rhythm
    https://youtu.be/gmF_bG5IVnM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    It's not the rhythm I worry about. It's the blues.
    You'll get the blues if you don’t rhythm properly
    https://youtu.be/pHuiCw_EWN4

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21frogman View Post
    I'm skeptical. Please explain what the "rhythm of the shuffle machine" is; how knowing it helps the player; what else the player has to know in order to use this info (e.g. which card plugs are high card heavy or light); and if this has been publicly simmed and/or published.
    It is a metaphor. I don't have such a music talent, but I am able to tell if a shuffle machine shuffles thoroughly a 8-deck shoe or not, especially when the cards are brand new out of their the package boxes. Cards are clumped a lot of times. I once saw 18 cards of Sixes came out in a row from a machines shuffled shoe.

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