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    Manual Shuffle AND Machine Shuffle

    Apparently some casinos perform a mini manual shuffle followed by the putting the cards in an automatic shuffler. Anybody know why? Sounds like Overkill? Pun intended.

    No chance that the automatic shuffler is not really shuffling, correct?

    Why the seemingly redundant shuffling?

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    I asked a dealer about it and she said there were some phone camera apps that could recognize irregularities in the "shark fins" -- the lines that typically cross the edge of a card. They do a mini shuffle to change the orientation of some cards (turning the piles before the riffle) so different edges on random cards will be displayed on the next deal. Whether that is true or not I've not investigated, merely what I was told.

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    Just another example of how casinos cutting into their profits by not understanding their own games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overkill View Post
    Apparently some casinos perform a mini manual shuffle followed by the putting the cards in an automatic shuffler. Anybody know why? Sounds like Overkill? Pun intended.

    No chance that the automatic shuffler is not really shuffling, correct?

    Why the seemingly redundant shuffling?
    This is normal though. You see the dealer always randomly insert the unplayed cards into different deck levels of the played cards when a shoe is finished. Human are way more smarter than a machine. They can find the the rhythm of the shuffle machine easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    You see the dealer always randomly insert the unplayed cards into different deck levels of the played cards when a shoe is finished.
    NOT always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    They can find the the rhythm of the shuffle machine easily.
    I'm skeptical. Please explain what the "rhythm of the shuffle machine" is; how knowing it helps the player; what else the player has to know in order to use this info (e.g. which card plugs are high card heavy or light); and if this has been publicly simmed and/or published.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21frogman View Post
    I'm skeptical. Please explain what the "rhythm of the shuffle machine" is; how knowing it helps the player; what else the player has to know in order to use this info (e.g. which card plugs are high card heavy or light); and if this has been publicly simmed and/or published.
    rhythm of the shuffle machine" is;
    listen, listen to the rhythm
    https://youtu.be/gmF_bG5IVnM

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    It's not the rhythm I worry about. It's the blues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    It's not the rhythm I worry about. It's the blues.
    You'll get the blues if you don’t rhythm properly
    https://youtu.be/pHuiCw_EWN4

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21frogman View Post
    I'm skeptical. Please explain what the "rhythm of the shuffle machine" is; how knowing it helps the player; what else the player has to know in order to use this info (e.g. which card plugs are high card heavy or light); and if this has been publicly simmed and/or published.
    It is a metaphor. I don't have such a music talent, but I am able to tell if a shuffle machine shuffles thoroughly a 8-deck shoe or not, especially when the cards are brand new out of their the package boxes. Cards are clumped a lot of times. I once saw 18 cards of Sixes came out in a row from a machines shuffled shoe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    I once saw 18 cards of Sixes came out in a row from a machines shuffled shoe.
    That's absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    That's absurd.
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    It is a metaphor. I don't have such a music talent, but I am able to tell if a shuffle machine shuffles thoroughly a 8-deck shoe or not, especially when the cards are brand new out of their the package boxes. Cards are clumped a lot of times. I once saw 18 cards of Sixes came out in a row from a machines shuffled shoe.
    I once saw 8 cards of aces came out in a 11 card sequence. And it is HAND-SHUFFLED! It is a dealer normally at $100 table minimal table so I don't know him. Ploppies call me "Wicked". Other dealers call him Champion. When Champion took his 20 minute break, I asked his replacement how he gets the nickname. He said Champion almost never loses. So when he came back, I paid attention how he shuffled.

    There are two casinos I often visit and they all have hand shuffled Blackjack. The other one takes about one minute to shuffle the shoe. They are both two pass shuffle. But at the other casino, the dealer just mix two chunks quickly to have the shuffle done as quick as possible. But Champion and many dealers at this casino take four or five minutes to shuffle a six deck shoe. The first pass is normal. But this is the details of the second pass:

    Champion took five steps to complete the second pass. He divided six decks to three decks on each side. Each time he took 0.6 decks from each side and shuffle. Unlike the other casino the dealers just shuffles head on. Champion (and many dealers in this casino) tilt the decks while shuffle. So they can see the ranks of the cards while shuffling. Then each time they will select a few cards either put them to the top of 1.2 decks or the bottom of 1.2 decks. They do this about six to ten times for each 1.2 decks. To most players, the stripping seems to be random, the few cards he selected can either go to the top or the bottom. But Champion is watching while shuffling, so he makes sure if the cards contains most faces go to the top, the cards contains most aces and smalls go to the bottom.

    I congratulate Champion and told him other dealers said he never loses. He seems extremely proud what he has accomplished.

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