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    Quote Originally Posted by Dog Hand View Post
    Good to know! So this is probably only countable against 2-6 even though the 8 starts with the best house edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starchild View Post
    Good to know! So this is probably only countable against 2-6 even though the 8 starts with the best house edge.
    Unless you do an 8 sidecount

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBear4SJ View Post
    Unless you do an 8 sidecount
    I developed a count system for the bust bonus side bet, called ace-6. Every ace counts as +1 and every 6 counts as -1. When the TC is +2 and above, you bet on the side bet. Forget about the HiLo count. Can anybody simulate on this system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    I developed a count system for the bust bonus side bet, called ace-6. Every ace counts as +1 and every 6 counts as -1. When the TC is +2 and above, you bet on the side bet. Forget about the HiLo count. Can anybody simulate on this system?
    I'm curious as to why this would work well for this game. If the count is high, that means that there are many more aces than there are 6's. Why would that lead to significantly more busts? If I were to create a side count for this bet, I would think that counting 10's against 3-6 could work, but at that point you might as well just use a regular count.

    Also, the whole point of this thread is that CVData can't simulate side bets that are made after the deal, so simulating your count isn't an easy task. I believe I've found a workaround, but I want to do a little bit more testing with it first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starchild View Post
    I'm curious as to why this would work well for this game. If the count is high, that means that there are many more aces than there are 6's. Why would that lead to significantly more busts? If I were to create a side count for this bet, I would think that counting 10's against 3-6 could work, but at that point you might as well just use a regular count.

    Also, the whole point of this thread is that CVData can't simulate side bets that are made after the deal, so simulating your count isn't an easy task. I believe I've found a workaround, but I want to do a little bit more testing with it first.
    The count system should be 6-Ace, meaning a lot of deficit of aces at a high true count. This is exactly opposite to HiLo. At high TC, you bet on bust bonus; at low TC, you bet more on blackjack. If you can, please simulate this system.

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    If the count is high, that means that there are many more aces than there are 6's.
    NOT NECESSARILY
    Search QTC or Quality of True Count

    Also, a high count may still have a deficiency of Aces and a larger surplus of face cards.

    Search FBM ASC, both basic and advanced

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    I developed a count system
    Translation: "I made up a counting system out of thin air. I enjoy trolling the researchers on this site."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starchild View Post
    I'm curious as to why this would work well for this game.
    Even though you've been a member for 4 years, you've been inactive with only 10 posts, so you are probably unaware of aceside. In his 300ish posts, barely one has contained correct information. He's best ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Even though you've been a member for 4 years, you've been inactive with only 10 posts, so you are probably unaware of aceside. In his 300ish posts, barely one has contained correct information. He's best ignored.
    Trust me. I put in a lot of thoughts on this side bet. The correct counting system should be Ace-6, meaning a lot of deficit of aces at a high true count. You count aces as +1 and sixes as -1, exactly opposite to HiLo. At high TC, you bet on bust bonus; at low TC, you bet more on blackjack. You do not need HiLo for regular blackjack. All you need is the Ace-6. Please help simulate this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    Trust me.
    You must be joking. you have zero credibility on this site.


    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    I put in a lot of thoughts on this side bet.
    Garbage in, garbage, out.


    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    At high TC, you bet on bust bonus; at low TC, you bet more on blackjack. You do not need HiLo for regular blackjack. All you need is the Ace-6. Please help simulate this.
    As is the case with INS bets, side counting aces is helpful in SD and DD games, but virtually worthless on shoe games, as demonstrated by Wong a long time ago. For that reason, as well as the fact you almost never get a count high enough to bet it in a 6 or 8 deck game, your system is useless. Further, Norm stated that his software cannot sim this sidebet because it's placed after the cards are dealt.

    If you are that curious, contact Cadtwright, who has written custom BJ sim software that can sim just about anything. I'm sure he'll charge you for it, though.

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    Quote: “Here are the rules of the actual blackjack game:
    6 decks
    Dealer hits on a soft 17
    Doubling after splitting allowed
    Resplitting aces allowed
    No surrender
    4.6/6 decks

    Any ideas as to why my house edge is different?[/QUOTE]

    I revisited this thread and found what I said last year was incorrect. For this particular side bet, Wizard of Odds specifically said that it was countable, but I still haven’t got any clue on how to do it. How does 21forme do it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Norm stated that his software cannot sim this sidebet because it's placed after the cards are dealt.
    CVData V6 can handle side bets bet after the dealer card is dealt. I'm having problems with my monitors at the moment (actually last three weeks), but will put up an update later today that includes this bonus definition. Although anyone with V6 can set it up themselves.
    "I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starchild View Post
    I had a feeling that was the case. I think my workaround of getting my money back against all cards that are not an ace would isolate the times that I made the side bet against an A. I just can't seem to get payoffs against an A right. Let me know if you come up with a solution.
    I’ve thought about this again. To find the edge on this side bet, we need the dealer buster rate with different numbers of bust cards at different counts. For example, what is the 3-card bust rate at TC=+6, and what is the 4-card bust rate at TC=+6? etc..

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