What is the threshold for officially being trespassed?

[JBourne]

When being backed-off it is common to be asked to leave the casino. Assuming you have not been formally identified, what is the threshold at which you can consider yourself officially trespassed? Do they need to explicitly declare in a certain way that you are not allowed to be on the property? Is it sufficient for someone to just yell that "you will be arrested if you come back" as you leave the premises? Do you need to be formally identified/notified?

Part of the casino's goal is to harass or intimidate, which means they may attempt to have you arrested regardless of the legal merits. Clearly someone needs to consider if it's even worth risking that experience. In the case someone is willing to deal with the harassment, yet wants to avoid a real conviction for trespassing, what things can/will be used to prove you are in violation of a trespassing ordinance?

[LugiaLvl138]

Until you actually sign papers that say something to the effect of:

I the undersigned, agree to never return to XYZ Property and if I do, I will
be subjected to arrest for trespassing under Nevada State Code 207.2.

Then all the casino can do is harass and intimidate. They call it
reading the trespass act to you. It's not legally binding until those
papers are signed.

[21forme]

Until you actually sign papers that say something to the effect of:

I the undersigned, agree to never return to XYZ Property and if I do, I will
be subjected to arrest for trespassing under Nevada State Code 207.2.

Then all the casino can do is harass and intimidate. They call it
reading the trespass act to you. It's not legally binding until those
papers are signed.

That is not true. If the casino can show they READ it to you, it's binding. A signature acknowledging it is not necessary.

[bigplayer]

Until you actually sign papers that say something to the effect of:

I the undersigned, agree to never return to XYZ Property and if I do, I will
be subjected to arrest for trespassing under Nevada State Code 207.2.

Then all the casino can do is harass and intimidate. They call it
reading the trespass act to you. It's not legally binding until those
papers are signed.

You don't have to sign anything. Casino merely needs to document the date and time contemporaneously and those business records will carry weight in any court proceeding against you. That said, unless you repeatedly return after being trespassed few jurisdictions will cite you without first giving you the opportunity to leave. Your mileage may vary depending on where you are. Tribal casinos tend to have the most extreme variety of actions. Some will actually steal your bankroll and boot you.

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[Sharky]

You don't have to sign anything. Casino merely needs to document the date and time contemporaneously and those business records will carry weight in any court proceeding against you. That said, unless you repeatedly return after being trespassed few jurisdictions will cite you without first giving you the opportunity to leave. Your mileage may vary depending on where you are. Tribal casinos tend to have the most extreme variety of actions. Some will actually steal your bankroll and boot you.

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X2....I used to at least get certified letters....no mas, they, literally, read (shout) it to you on your way out the door....then, you may even receive a citation in the mail (not certified) that you have x # days to respond or you'll have a warrant for your arrest

To be clear, the above examples are when read 'tresspass act' as you scoot out the door....then return and play after some time

[umbrellaman]

you may even receive a citation in the mail (not certified) that you have x # days to respond or you'll have a warrant for your arrest

Obviously from a sheriff's office? What state was this in?

[UNCBear4SJ]

Part of the casino's goal is to harass or intimidate...

LOL. Really? Paranoid much?

[JBourne]

LOL. Really? Paranoid much?

You are not paranoid if they really are out to get you.

[UNCBear4SJ]

You are not paranoid if they really are out to get you.

LOL. I was responding to your statement:

Part of the casino's goal is to harass or intimidate,

That is just not true and is genuinely laughable. A goal of casinos is to "protect" their assets, true. But that is a far cry from being a goal of harassment and intimidation. If you feel they are really out to get you, I'd suggest you may need to look at the full spectrum of your techniques.

[JBourne]

LOL. I was responding to your statement:

That is just not true and is genuinely laughable. A goal of casinos is to "protect" their assets, true. But that is a far cry from being a goal of harassment and intimidation. If you feel they are really out to get you, I'd suggest you may need to look at the full spectrum of your techniques.

To say it as accurately as I can - they want you to STOP doing what you are doing. So, yes, they are protecting their assets. That is the goal. If the tactic of harassing and intimidating makes you not come back then they have accomplished their goal. Not sure how that qualifies as laughable.

When you say full spectrum of techniques, I would like to understand more. If you count, use a large spread, and don't make mistakes - it's detectable. I make every hour count and I know it will not last forever. As for other AP moves, I have not done any of that (yet).

[UNCBear4SJ]

When you say full spectrum of techniques, I would like to understand more. If you count, use a large spread, and don't make mistakes - it's detectable.

If you play mechanically, yes, the correlations will be picked up rather quickly and you'll find yourself in the situations you're describing. You need to work on your cover play is what I'm saying -- add to the spectrum of techniques you employ, not just churning like an automaton. You may want to make "every hour count" but if the number of hours you're "allowed" to work is cut, then you have played into their tactic. I've worked successfully for 25 years and my long-term average income floats between 3 and 5 base units per hour. I've been backed-off, sure, but managing the "resources" of the stores available to me, I've eventually been able to work even those back into the rotation.

[Cohiba]

When being backed-off it is common to be asked to leave the casino. Assuming you have not been formally identified, what is the threshold at which you can consider yourself officially trespassed? Do they need to explicitly declare in a certain way that you are not allowed to be on the property? Is it sufficient for someone to just yell that "you will be arrested if you come back" as you leave the premises? Do you need to be formally identified/notified?

Part of the casino's goal is to harass or intimidate, which means they may attempt to have you arrested regardless of the legal merits. Clearly someone needs to consider if it's even worth risking that experience. In the case someone is willing to deal with the harassment, yet wants to avoid a real conviction for trespassing, what things can/will be used to prove you are in violation of a trespassing ordinance?

WRT to the backoff - there are a number of variations, regardless of what the casino does your basic strategy is to just walk quietly towards then nearest exit, dont stop at the cage, don't get mouthy with the boss, dont sign anything, dont show ID and never volunteer to be detained. If they wont let you leave then call Bob (I assume he is on your speed dial) and review his advice on this topic for the right things to say as you are being detained.

Cohiba

[Freightman]

which means they may attempt to have you arrested regardless of the legal merits.

Unlawful detention - Have you arrested regardless of the legal merits

Screams lawsuit - assuming of course you have done nothing to justify their actions