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    50 % pen ..... please if anyone know !!

    hello again to everyone

    for the moment i am playing at 6d s17 das 4split rsa es10 2box min asm game

    after some visits i made the pen from 1.5 went to 2.0 2.5 and today was 3 decks off

    i made some sims with cvcx but unfortanely u can sim the game only at 2.5 decks off max

    maybe someone know that extra 25 cards that are lost how much more impact has to the game to score and general ..


    thanks 4 your time !!



    p.s also i would like to ask general in the casinos of the states if u r recognized like card counter they back you off or they destroy your game by penitration and they allow u to play?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefan View Post
    hello again to everyone

    for the moment i am playing at 6d s17 das 4split rsa es10 2box min asm game

    after some visits i made the pen from 1.5 went to 2.0 2.5 and today was 3 decks off

    i made some sims with cvcx but unfortanely u can sim the game only at 2.5 decks off max

    maybe someone know that extra 25 cards that are lost how much more impact has to the game to score and general ..


    thanks 4 your time !!



    p.s also i would like to ask general in the casinos of the states if u r recognized like card counter they back you off or they destroy your game by penitration and they allow u to play?
    Doing 50% pen on a shoe game should be a waste of time, right?! I dont k ow just my gut feeling.

    In the states, I think it's very rare to see 50% pen. I think that's more an international thing to do.

    Also, I sent you a Facebook message regarding blackjack games in Croatia you never responded man.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatian View Post
    Doing 50% pen on a shoe game should be a waste of time, right?! I dont k ow just my gut feeling.

    In the states, I think it's very rare to see 50% pen. I think that's more an international thing to do.

    Also, I sent you a Facebook message regarding blackjack games in Croatia you never responded man.........
    I think I hide myself very well. Most dealers think I am harmless person just enjoying playing BJ and have a good time. But occasionally I will encounter dealers who suspect I am counting cards and he will set the next shoe at 50% penetration. To satisfy my curiosity, I stayed longer to see what action he took against other suspect AP. He did this when any player increases the spread. A new AP suspect emerges. Even I conclude the player placing big bet is not AP. The dealer cut the pen to 50%. Some dealers are just being careful. Better being wrong than sorry.

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    Dalmatian hi.i will check again my fb i didn't see anything.

    I read about your corse and your difficulties that u had.i hope u find the way man !

    As long the 50% pen i don't have answer.my sims with 2.5 was lets say kind of okey.the real problem was the no was very high.

    As long for hiding ... here basic strategy only is red flag. With some black chips suddenly making the appearance not a lot of things can be hidden

    Even some days that the asm was jammed and they shuffle by hand I sting the game of the top but again I got heat.the general manager came to my table sit next to me and watching my game live.i reacted very friendly and with gambling spirit but I can feel their eyes when I place the bets

    The rounds that the manager was sitting next to me i was dealt for example 17 and 18 .dealer had 9.he asked me if I want card .that moment I was turning my head 90 degrees answering no card for me looking the manager with out seeing the cards at all and telling him that I have a feeling that dealer will bust.i was hearing the dealer saying 19 taking my bets collecting all the cards and only after I was looking again at the table infrond.of course I was -1 to my count but I didn't think that I purchased them for much
    Last edited by stefan; 06-06-2021 at 04:27 PM.

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    50% pen is often done in U.S. jurisdictions where they cannot back you off for counting, such as MO and AC.

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    I have an Excel calculator for calculating the score for any betting strategies and penetrations of any value. I can send it to the mail. What is the score- https://www.blackjackinfo.com/commun...s/score.16268/

    p.s. Any game with a DI less than 25 is hopeless.
    Last edited by Gramazeka; 06-06-2021 at 07:29 PM.
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    . p.s. Any game with a DI less than 25 is hopeless.
    Think you mean 2.5.
    DI of 25 translates to a modest SCORE of 625.

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    whats the spread.. i think you can get away with it if you spread huge and its not european no hole card.

    house edge needs to be around .10 though which it is around if its s17 rsa es10 obo

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    Gramazeka please do .

    HE is -0.32%

    Game that I play is enhc and I use 1-20 spread
    2x10
    2x50
    2x150
    2x200

    The sim i run with 2.5 decks off had c-score of 37.89 and no 26396
    Last edited by stefan; 06-07-2021 at 02:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Think you mean 2.5.
    DI of 25 translates to a modest SCORE of 625.
    Sorry, Score 25
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