Tie Side Bet in CVDATA?

[PitBoss321]

https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/side-bets/tie/

In this version, the bet won if the player and dealer do tie and pays 10 to 1. The player may bet no more than 50% of their original blackjack wager on the side bet. If the player splits he must also split the side bet. If the player doubles, he does not double the side bet.

Is this side bet in CVDATA? I heard of a place that doesn't limit the tie bet to half the main bet, and I wonder if that may bring more of an advantage. Is there a way for CVDATA to generate a basic strategy for blackjack with Ties?

[Norm]

Hmm. CVData doesn't have an option to increase a side bet when splitting. Have to look at that as I haven't seen it before.

[Dog Hand]

PitBoss321,

To analyze this sidebet, I need a bit more information:

1. What is the max bet? Can the SB wager exceed the BJ wager?

2. How many decks? H17 or S17? DAS or not? What is the penetration? 3:2 on BJ?

3. If you split, what happens to the SB? Typically, the SB goes with first split hand, but what happens to the other hands? Three common scenarios: (a) you are required to match the SB on each successive split hand; (b) you are given the option to match the SB on each successive split hand; or (c) you cannot match the SB on successive split hands.

I look forward to hearing your replies.

Dog Hand

[Gronbog]

Some of these are already answered in the OP:

The player may bet no more than 50% of their original blackjack wager on the side bet. If the player splits he must also split the side bet. If the player doubles, he does not double the side bet.

Since the side bet is on a push vs the dealer, it would be reasonable to assume that each split hand gets a matched side bet and that each is evaluated separately.

It occurs to me that changes in basic strategy will be needed in order to maximize the combined value of the original bet and the side bet(s). I can imagine possible changes to the strategy for all decisions which could be beneficial by increasing the frequency of pushes. In particular, you would probably hit more stiff hands, surrender less often, possibly double less often and it seems likely that the additional bet required for each split would require changes there as well. These changes would be sensitive to the ratio of the side bet to the original bet.

[PitBoss321]

1. What is the max bet? Can the SB wager exceed the BJ wager?

2. How many decks? H17 or S17? DAS or not? What is the penetration? 3:2 on BJ?

3. If you split, what happens to the SB? Typically, the SB goes with first split hand, but what happens to the other hands? Three common scenarios: (a) you are required to match the SB on each successive split hand; (b) you are given the option to match the SB on each successive split hand; or (c) you cannot match the SB on successive split hands.

1: The max at the location I know about is $200, and in this place you can exceed the main wager. That's why I'm so interested.

2: 6 deck, H17, 3:2, RSA to 4 hands, DAS, 1 deck pen.

3: My understanding is you have to split the sidebet as well

[PitBoss321]

It occurs to me that changes in basic strategy will be needed in order to maximize the combined value of the original bet and the side bet(s). I can imagine possible changes to the strategy for all decisions which could be beneficial by increasing the frequency of pushes. In particular, you would probably hit more stiff hands, surrender less often, possibly double less often and it seems likely that the additional bet required for each split would require changes there as well. These changes would be sensitive to the ratio of the side bet to the original bet.

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about. According to the wizard, even at half your bj bet, the house edge drops to 0.24%, vs 0.48% with the rules he compared to.

And it messes with basic strategy a lot.

tiesidebet_h17.jpg

[aceside]

1: The max at the location I know about is $200, and in this place you can exceed the main wager. That's why I'm so interested.

2: 6 deck, H17, 3:2, RSA to 4 hands, DAS, 1 deck pen.

3: My understanding is you have to split the sidebet as well

First of all, I have never encountered such a good game in the US as most casinos do not allow RSA, as far as I know. Second, apparently this side bet is countable, given the condition you listed. However, the basic strategy from WOO is probably not very useful for counters. We need Dog Hand or other experts to do an through analysis on this side bet. What about the surrender option?

[Dog Hand]

1: The max at the location I know about is $200, and in this place you can exceed the main wager. That's why I'm so interested.

2: 6 deck, H17, 3:2, RSA to 4 hands, DAS, 1 deck pen.

3: My understanding is you have to split the sidebet as well

PitBoss321,

Let's take this discussion off the board. Contact me at [email protected].

Dog Hand

[Norm]

First of all, I have never encountered such a good game in the US as most casinos do not allow RSA, as far as I know.

Looks like about 32% of US games covered by CBJN have RSA: https://www.qfit.com/maps.shtml

[PitBoss321]

PitBoss321,

Let's take this discussion off the board. Contact me at [email protected].

Dog Hand

I just emailed you.

[aceside]

Looks like about 32% of US games covered by CBJN have RSA: https://www.qfit.com/maps.shtml

This just means the CBJN is outdated. I have played many casinos but the only casino having RSA might be at MGM Springfield.

[aceside]

PitBoss321,

Let's take this discussion off the board. Contact me at [email protected].

Dog Hand

Discount gambling has researched this side bet.

Card	EOR
Deuce	+0.076%
Trey	+0.069%
Four	+0.056%
Five	+0.082%
Six	+0.122%
Seven	-0.066%
Eight	-0.057%
Nine	-0.008%
Ten/Face	-0.031%
Ace	-0.142%

Best on this result, we only need the density of Aces to beat this game. Is this right?

[21forme]

This just means the CBJN is outdated.

Your string of incorrect posts continues. You're such a clueless idiot.