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    Tie Side Bet in CVDATA?

    https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/side-bets/tie/

    In this version, the bet won if the player and dealer do tie and pays 10 to 1. The player may bet no more than 50% of their original blackjack wager on the side bet. If the player splits he must also split the side bet. If the player doubles, he does not double the side bet.

    Is this side bet in CVDATA? I heard of a place that doesn't limit the tie bet to half the main bet, and I wonder if that may bring more of an advantage. Is there a way for CVDATA to generate a basic strategy for blackjack with Ties?

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    Hmm. CVData doesn't have an option to increase a side bet when splitting. Have to look at that as I haven't seen it before.
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    PitBoss321,

    To analyze this sidebet, I need a bit more information:

    1. What is the max bet? Can the SB wager exceed the BJ wager?

    2. How many decks? H17 or S17? DAS or not? What is the penetration? 3:2 on BJ?

    3. If you split, what happens to the SB? Typically, the SB goes with first split hand, but what happens to the other hands? Three common scenarios: (a) you are required to match the SB on each successive split hand; (b) you are given the option to match the SB on each successive split hand; or (c) you cannot match the SB on successive split hands.

    I look forward to hearing your replies.

    Dog Hand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dog Hand View Post
    1. What is the max bet? Can the SB wager exceed the BJ wager?

    2. How many decks? H17 or S17? DAS or not? What is the penetration? 3:2 on BJ?

    3. If you split, what happens to the SB? Typically, the SB goes with first split hand, but what happens to the other hands? Three common scenarios: (a) you are required to match the SB on each successive split hand; (b) you are given the option to match the SB on each successive split hand; or (c) you cannot match the SB on successive split hands.
    1: The max at the location I know about is $200, and in this place you can exceed the main wager. That's why I'm so interested.

    2: 6 deck, H17, 3:2, RSA to 4 hands, DAS, 1 deck pen.

    3: My understanding is you have to split the sidebet as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by PitBoss321 View Post
    1: The max at the location I know about is $200, and in this place you can exceed the main wager. That's why I'm so interested.

    2: 6 deck, H17, 3:2, RSA to 4 hands, DAS, 1 deck pen.

    3: My understanding is you have to split the sidebet as well
    First of all, I have never encountered such a good game in the US as most casinos do not allow RSA, as far as I know. Second, apparently this side bet is countable, given the condition you listed. However, the basic strategy from WOO is probably not very useful for counters. We need Dog Hand or other experts to do an through analysis on this side bet. What about the surrender option?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    First of all, I have never encountered such a good game in the US as most casinos do not allow RSA, as far as I know.
    Looks like about 32% of US games covered by CBJN have RSA: https://www.qfit.com/maps.shtml
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Looks like about 32% of US games covered by CBJN have RSA: https://www.qfit.com/maps.shtml
    This just means the CBJN is outdated. I have played many casinos but the only casino having RSA might be at MGM Springfield.
    Last edited by aceside; 06-08-2021 at 06:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    This just means the CBJN is outdated.
    Your string of incorrect posts continues. You're such a clueless idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Your string of incorrect posts continues. You're such a clueless idiot.
    I would like to subscribe to CBJN to verify the information myself, but based on my field trips, RSA probably is less than 5%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    I would like to subscribe to CBJN to verify the information myself, but based on my field trips, RSA probably is less than 5%.
    You can buy a single issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    the only casino having RSA might be at MGM Springfield.
    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    based on my field trips, RSA probably is less than 5%
    Proof that you just make things up as you go along. Both of these can not be true, and neither can be based on any extensive sampling of casinos in the USA, which is what was asked.

    There is no rule against being wrong here, but there should be one against deliberately making things up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronbog View Post
    Proof that you just make things up as you go along. Both of these can not be true, and neither can be based on any extensive sampling of casinos in the USA, which is what was asked.

    There is no rule against being wrong here, but there should be one against deliberately making things up.
    I played dozens of casinos in USA and I know what the conditions are currently. There is no conflict between these two statements. All you need is trust me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    There is no conflict between these two statements.
    In one statement you said that there is only one casino with RSA. In the other you said that 5% of casinos have it. Both are true only if there are only 20 casinos in the USA. Playing "dozens" of casinos does not qualify you to make any estimate of anything with respect to conditions in the USA.

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