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    Did the Pit Boss make the correct ruling?

    Hey guys, first post - I just registered to ask a question about a hand that came in to play this morning.

    Myself and two others are playing double deck hand pitch. Dealer gets dealt a 3. We have 14, 14, and third base has 15. Third base waves to stay but dealer mistakenly gives her a hit. A situation that I'm sure comes up often. The hit card is a Jack.

    Pit boss comes over and gets explained the situation. He takes the Jack away from third base's 15 and immediately puts it in the burn pile. I simply say I've never seen that before, and he gets instantly pissy and defensive talking about 'let me do my job' etc, and after the hand he continues on with 'there are complaint forms if you want one'. All that because I said 'I've never seen that before' in regards to him burning a ten, the naturally next card, with dealer showing 3. He said something else along the lines of 'this is the correct way to handle it', alluding that his ruling to burn the Jack was by the book. So, first question is - is he right that the Jack gets burned instead of given to the dealer, as it would of been the dealers next card naturally.

    Even crazier, which I can't imagine he did correctly by the book either: Dealer flips a Ten to go with his Three, making 13. He takes a card, and as you can imagine, it's a 5 to make 18. THEN - he makes the dealer hit the 18, eventually busting, and paying the entire table. Generous of him to do that and we all benefitted of course, but I am curious about how right or wrong this pit boss was. Normally I don't care but with how aggressive he was with his 'let me do my job' and 'I can get complaint forms' talk I'd just like some closure on what truly is the right ruling.

    Was he right to kill the Jack? Was he right to make the dealer hit the 18?

    I think the Gaming Commision would say this Pit Boss went 0 for 2 in decision making. First being wrong to kill the Jack, and Secondly being wrong to have the dealer hit an 18.

    Obviously this situation helped us so I'm not complaining.

    Interesting forum here. I'm sure there is plenty info to gather and a lot of interesting stories. I'm not the greatest at Blackjack and still make mistakes, but I've already been told I can't play Blackjack at three separate Las Vegas casinos but they'd gladly take my action in any other game

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    Welcome, and I like your handle.

    I've never seen that, either. What is standard practice is to give that card to the dealer. If the dealer didn't need a card (not the case here), then it would be burned before dealing it to first base in the next round. They can't back up a card, but they certainly should have played it forward for the dealer.

    And no, the dealer shouldn't have hit the 18. that violates the rules of the game.

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    In most places, an unintended exposed card gets burned. I agree with the supervisors in that ruling. But they also usually allow players to back out of the hand if they wish. If that would've been allowed here, your best option would've been to do so with your hand. As for having the dealer hit a hard 18, that I've never seen.

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    Pit was correct. They burn the exposed card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigplayer View Post
    Pit was correct. They burn the exposed card.

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    But there are two questions up for discussion. The Jack should have been burned. Mostly SOP. But, of course, once the boss saw that the dealer would have busted, had it not been for the error, and that now he beat all the players, the boss actually took matters into his own hand and rectified the situation by basically forcing the dealer to break, so that all the players would get paid anyway. That was clearly very nice of him, and he certainly didn't have to do it.

    Wonder what would have happened had the dealer hit the 18 with a 3!

    Don

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    World wide I have seen both. It simply depends on the house rules. Either burn or the next card goes to the dealer.

    The bank purposely going bust, is a service I never ever heard of. Where was it?

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    Thanks for the replies. To my surprise it sounds like the Jack was rightfully burned. I'll settle for being one of the few players to beat a Dealers 28

    Quote Originally Posted by acw View Post
    The bank purposely going bust, is a service I never ever heard of. Where was it?
    One of the Stations Casinos in LV. PM if the exact one if needed. I don't want the wrong person potentially stumbling on this thread and reading about their Pit Boss.

    Something else that I'm now realizing - after that hand we continued on with the shoe. No re-shuffle offered or enforced. I'm not bothered at all about one extra card leaving the deck and changing the run out of future cards, as that could benefit me just as easily as it could hurt. Just out of curiosity: is SOP to shuffle after that blunder of a hand or is that up to Pits discretion?

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    Surprised there was no reshuffle. However, that is a great opportunity to wong out, if the count was negative, saying the flow of the cards was disrupted.

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    During such mistakes, they may simply give the card to the next player or the dealer it that belonged to the dealer.

    I was once dealt a face card while I had a 16v10 and made the sign to surrender.

    The left side guy had already wagered to double down his 10 and I insisted that this was his card (ok, why he DDed a 10v10 still no idea).

    Everything can happen during misdealings, between players being offered to pull back their bets or everybody pushes. Casino policies vary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DatabaseGuy View Post
    During such mistakes, they may simply give the card to the next player or the dealer it that belonged to the dealer.

    I was once dealt a face card while I had a 16v10 and made the sign to surrender.

    The left side guy had already wagered to double down his 10 and I insisted that this was his card (ok, why he DDed a 10v10 still no idea).

    Everything can happen during misdealings, between players being offered to pull back their bets or everybody pushes. Casino policies vary.
    Had this happen to me with a hard 13 vs 10. Guy next to me waves for a stand but the dealer delivers a card anyway. It happens to be an 8 which would bust him. Dealer calls over floor supervisor and he says it'll be the next card out. I oblige and happily double down for a solid 21.

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