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    Novice looking to advance...

    I've been playing daily at my local casino for the past two months now. Counting cards again after a long hiatus.

    I'm using Hi-Lo with the I-18, +4 other indexes, + 5 surrender indexes.
    I have access to a 6 Deck shoe game and can manage to estimate in half deck increments.

    At this point RC/TC are not quite second nature...it requires some effort/concentration, but it is in no way strenuous.

    From the research I've done, it seems that mastering Hi-Opt II w/ASC, full indexes would be the optimal long term goal.

    This involves:

    1. Learning to estimate within 1/4 deck
    2. Learning to ASC
    3. Mastering the Hi-Opt II count
    4. Mastering the Hi-Opt II indexes


    Any feedback from the community would be appreciated about the worthiness/practicality of this goal; as well as advice on how best to tackle the learning process step by step.

    I can also see value in keeping things simple: aiming to get to the point where it requires no effort whatsoever and then just working on cover.. From other things I've mastered in life, I know that within another few months, I'll be counting/deviating with my current method at a subconscious level with zero effort.

    Thanks in advance for any advice.
    Cheers.

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    It seems to me you are already very advanced. Why not move to America so that we can collaborate? I feel this is a short lived career but we need to gamble big in a very short time. If you are not gambling real things, you are not learning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    It seems to me you are already very advanced. Why not move to America so that we can collaborate? I feel this is a short lived career but we need to gamble big in a very short time. If you are not gambling real things, you are not learning.

    Lol. Very true Aceside. Maybe better in USA. But in this forum...no. I am certainly not advanced. Maybe I have improved from a white to yellow belt in card counting. But we are in the presence of several 8th degree black belt grand masters.

    My 20 cent minimum/$4.00 maximum tables are really just fake play money.
    But I am stuck here for the meantime. Making the best of my cheap, real environment to hone my skills.
    Last edited by tal32bur; 05-02-2021 at 02:42 PM.

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    Casinos are only that many, and they will figure out who these APs are sooner or later. Facial recognition has made this business even harder. This is not easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    I feel this is a short lived career but we need to gamble big in a very short time.
    Folks have been saying that AP is dead for decades. There are APs that played a quarter century ago who are still playing high stakes and making money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tal32bur View Post
    I'm using Hi-Lo with the I-18, +4 other indexes, + 5 surrender indexes.
    Can you mention which surrender indexes you are using, as I want to see if you are counting the basic strategy surrender plays in the five that you use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Can you mention which surrender indexes you are using, as I want to see if you are counting the basic strategy surrender plays in the five that you use.

    ES rule here for ENHC,6D,S17

    14 v 10 surrender above 0, hit below 0
    13 v 10 surrender above 3
    6 v A surrender above -1
    5 v A surrender above 0, hit below 0
    4 v A surrender above 2
    Last edited by tal32bur; 05-02-2021 at 08:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tal32bur View Post
    ES rule here for ENHC,6D,S17

    Sorry I am not familiar with that game. I was thinking late surrender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tal32bur View Post
    ES rule here for ENHC,6D,S17

    14 v 10 surrender above 0, hit below 0
    13 v 10 surrender above 3
    6 v A surrender above -1
    5 v A surrender above 0, hit below 0
    4 v A surrender above 2
    Against dealer A - surrender on their solid 5,6,7 and 12,13,14,15,16,17 (including on pairs). Its basic strategy.
    6 v A surrender above -2
    7 v A surrender above -3
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