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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    I would be delighted to help explain. You’re wrong. But of course, you usually are. You do remind me so much of Mr. Contrary.

    insurance is linear.
    I believe what you said, insurance is linear, but I believe all of the blackjack decisions are linear too. Some side bets are nonlinear, for example, lucky ladies.

    However, you still haven’t explained if the +2.4 insurance index is fixed throughout a 2-deck shoe or not. I have asked about this several times on this forum: is there a floating advantage from insurance, but nobody hasn’t firmly responded.

    Let me just inform you of my recent discoveries on the floating advantage. All of the HiLo indices varies slightly Slightly with the dealing depth in a shoe. Some increase while others decrease. The trend I said above about insurance is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    I believe what you said, insurance is linear, but I believe all of the blackjack decisions are linear too. Some side bets are nonlinear, for example, lucky ladies.

    However, you still haven’t explained if the +2.4 insurance index is fixed throughout a 2-deck shoe or not. I have asked about this several times on this forum: is there a floating advantage from insurance, but nobody hasn’t firmly responded.

    Let me just inform you of my recent discoveries on the floating advantage. All of the HiLo indices varies slightly Slightly with the dealing depth in a shoe. Some increase while others decrease. The trend I said above about insurance is correct.
    2 deck HiLo insurance data varied by running count and pen - does not consider hand composition
    Insure at RC/TC ref >= listed values

    Code:
    Count tags {1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,0,0,0,1}
    Decks: 2
    Insurance Data (without regard to hand comp)
    No subgroup (removals) are defined
    
    **** Player hand: x-x ****
    Cards   RC      TC ref
    
    96      5       2.71
    95      6       3.28
    94      5       2.77
    85      4       2.45
    65      3       2.40
    43      2       2.42
    20      1       2.60
    2       0       0.00
    1       1       52.00
    
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    k_c

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    The extreme cases (top) and bottom can't change in any manner using 2.4 for all the lines. Just do the math with various running counts, and you'll see that if you use 2.4 for EVERYTHING, it won't change a single decision.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    I believe all of the blackjack decisions are linear too.
    This is simply wrong, and famously so. Read Theory of Blackjack.
    Last edited by Norm; 10-30-2021 at 05:35 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k_c View Post
    2 deck HiLo insurance data varied by running count and pen - does not consider hand composition
    Insure at RC/TC ref >= listed values

    Code:
    Count tags {1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,0,0,0,1}
    Decks: 2
    Insurance Data (without regard to hand comp)
    No subgroup (removals) are defined
    
    **** Player hand: x-x ****
    Cards   RC      TC ref
    
    96      5       2.71
    95      6       3.28
    94      5       2.77
    85      4       2.45
    65      3       2.40
    43      2       2.42
    20      1       2.60
    2       0       0.00
    1       1       52.00
    
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    k_c
    My practice in casinos is really simple. I buy insurance at +5 when 1/4 deck was dealt, at +4 when 1/2 deck is dealt, at +3 when 3/4 deck was dealt, and at +2 when 5/4 deck was dealt.

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    aceside trolled as follows
    Let me just inform you of my recent discoveries on the floating advantage. All of the HiLo indices varies slightly Slightly with the dealing depth in a shoe. Some increase while others decrease. The trend I said above about insurance is correct.
    What changes is edge per true count for the counter who uses indices. So, the index doesn’t change, regardless of depth. By inference, higher true count frequencies occur more often the deeper into the deck you go. Floating advantage is a different concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    This is simply wrong, and famously so. Read Theory of Blackjack.
    It is all about the degree of approximation. We can safely say that the insurance EV is directly proportional to the insurance count, roughly proportional to the HiLo count, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    aceside trolled as follows
    And you responded to his trolling yet again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    And you responded to his trolling yet again.
    everyone else is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    everyone else is
    Not me. I no longer respond to that poser. He's probably not old enough to play in a casino.

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    “Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
    That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
    and then is heard no more."

    Do not finish this quote.
    "I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    everyone else is
    I just don’t understand why 21forme always looked down at my experience, but I find you are patient!

    Let me just quote this from k_c from another thread.
    “A card counter would be referencing a post-deal comp. That being said a complete post-deal comp would also include an up card.”

    This is easier saying in doing it, especially for double deck games. I recently played a lot double-deck games. I won consistently when I played solo but lost consistently when I played with two other players. The problem was that I couldn’t see their cards when I made my play decisions.

    Any idea to improve?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    “Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
    That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
    and then is heard no more."

    Do not finish this quote.
    My friend Zeebabar has disappeared from this forum like a shadow for a long time. He is the least proud boy I’ve met here, like me.

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