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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Norm has given you an argument. I'll give you a different one. Suppose you're using your strategy and indices for a six-deck game and, suddenly, the shoe drops on the floor and five decks spill out, leaving only one deck remaining in the shoe. Are you now suddenly playing a single-deck game? Do you understand how utterly ridiculous such an argument would be? Or, in similar fashion, if you held the six decks in your hands and, instead of dealing from the top, you turned the pack over and began dealing from the bottom deck only, would you now be playing single-deck blackjack? Oh!

    Nonetheless, there is an entirely different concept that is valid, and that is the basis for the floating advantage. If you are counting a shoe game, and you get to a point where only one deck is remaining, AND, you have a count of, say, zero, then your edge at that moment is, in fact, consistent with that of a single deck off the top. But this is a very different idea from the one that you have been espousing.

    Don
    A waste of time proffering logic to aceside. He is only interested in promoting the ludicrous. Your time is better spent analyzing the Complexities and advantages of the FBM ASC Advanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    A waste of time proffering logic to aceside. He is only interested in promoting the ludicrous.
    Agree. Trying to talk sense into this clown is like squeezing water from a stone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    You have done research on this. Can you sort out which indices vary a lot with the number of decks remaining?
    Consider QTC and its impact on published indices. By inference, varying indices by depth would usually, but not always occur later in the shoe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Agree. Trying to talk sense into this clown is like squeezing water from a stone.
    Wouldn’t be a problem, provided of course, one works for UJA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    This is exactly the part I disagree and have been pushing very hard.
    52 cards left out of 4 decks is NOT the same as a 52 cards left from a single deck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    If my grandmother had balls, she’d be my grandfather. Flawed logic. I admire your ability to promote the ridiculous. Reminds me of a prior troller, I mean poster.
    These days she very well could be your grandfather in this pronoun neutral, gender flexible utopia we are experiencing.

    Cohiba

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    The 2nd best straight count game I ever played was a single deck s17/das and they would routinely deal 7-8 rounds heads up and tolerated my discreet and respectful 2x25 to 2x1000 (table min to table max) spread. Played there once a month on junkets, would camp each time for the entire trip and no problems. Then word got out and some jerks came by and took advantage of the joint and were a little too aggressive on the game and it ended.

    My last trip there they converted the sd to a dd with 50% pen. I asked the critter where the SD went and she replied oh we still have it, its just we deal the 1 deck outta 2 so its the same thing. Needless to say it is not the same thing and so my honey pot was spoiled.....

    Cohiba

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cohiba View Post
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    The 2nd best straight count game I ever played was a single deck s17/das and they would routinely deal 7-8 rounds heads up
    I take it you never played the Caesars or Maxim SD, S17, DAS, LS games from the '70s and '80s.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Suppose you have a deck of cards that consists of two cards, a two and a three. Suppose you have one deck and draw two cards. What are the odds of drawing a total of 5? Obviously 100%. Now suppose you have two decks, two twos and two threes. What are the odds of drawing two cards for a total of five? The possibilities:

    2 2 = 4
    2 3 = 5
    3 2 = 5
    3 3 = 6

    Your odds have dropped to 50%

    Now, for each of the four draws above, what will be the second hand? Well, there will only the two cards left:

    3 3 = 6
    3 2 or 2 3 =5
    3 2 or 2 3 =5
    2 2 = 4

    Still 50%.

    What matters is total decks, not remaining decks.
    I have thought about this again and found your conclusion is valid, but your math has some typo. Suppose we have a deck of cards that consists of 2s (2 of spades) and a 3s (3 of spades), and another deck of cards that consists of a 2d (2 of diamonds) and a 3d (3 of diamonds).

    If we put these two decks together, the six total 2-card combinations are as follows:
    2s3s, 2s2d, 2s3d, 3s2d, 3s3d, 2d3d

    The odd of drawing a 2-card 2+3=5 combination is 4/6=67%. If we remove one deck off the top, the odd of a 2-card 2+3=5 is still 67% statistically.
    If we have three such decks of cards: 2s, 3s; 2d, 3d; 2c, 3c, the odd of drawing a 2-card 2+3=5 combination is 9/15=60%. If we remove two decks off the top, the odd of a 2-card 2+3=5 is still 60% statistically.

    This consideration can be generalized to 3-cards deck to find the odds of a blackjack by replacing 2 by Ace, and 3 by King and adding a neutral card of 8.

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    I'll blame it in on Covid.
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    With this solid foundation of math, I hope to turn the tables on casinos soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    I take it you never played the Caesars or Maxim SD, S17, DAS, LS games from the '70s and '80s.

    Don
    Unfortunately i never did. Played some SD at Maxim's a few months and through the time that they tapped out but dont recall the rules at the time. I have it recorded on my database in my non-functional computer. I didnt start playing until much much later as I am significantly younger than many of the posters on here.

    What were the games like at Caesars and Maxims in terms of pen and tolerance?

    Thanks

    Cohiba

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cohiba View Post
    What were the games like at Caesars and Maxims in terms of pen and tolerance?
    The greatest games and conditions in the history of blackjack.

    Don

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