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    Interesting Rules - Negative house edge?

    I recently came a across a game with a different grouping of rules that I haven't come across before:

    ENHC - if dealer gets a natural BJ -dealer wins everything including splits/doubles (pushes against a player's natural BJ).
    Dealer stands on soft 17.
    Full early surrender against a dealer's 10 or A.
    Double on any two cards
    Split up to 4 hands.
    DAS
    Aces split to 2 hands, one additional card only.
    6 Decks

    4.5-5 deck PEN, normal shuffle (not a continuous shuffle machine), bet spread (min/max) x20

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    Best I can tell the player has an edge of .08% to .10%.

    Can anyone confirm this?

    Thanks
    Last edited by tal32bur; 03-09-2021 at 04:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tal32bur View Post
    I recently came a across a game with a different grouping of rules that I haven't come across before:

    ENHC - if dealer gets a natural BJ -dealer wins everything including splits/doubles (pushes against a player's natural BJ).
    Dealer stands on soft 17.
    Full early surrender against a dealer's 10 or A.
    Double on any two cards
    Split up to 4 hands.
    DAS
    Aces split to 2 hands, one additional card only.
    6 Decks

    4.5-5 deck PEN, normal shuffle (not a continuous shuffle machine), bet spread (min/max) x20

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    Best I can tell the player has an edge of .08% to .10%.

    Can anyone confirm this?

    Thanks
    according to some online calculators, you are correct. Is this in Austria?

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    The 'catch' is that the max bets are extremely low.

    I'm guessing the local casinos are all run by the government with job creation is the main motivation for casinos rather than house profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tal32bur View Post
    The 'catch' is that the max bets are extremely low.

    I'm guessing the local casinos are all run by the government with job creation is the main motivation for casinos rather than house profit.
    Most casinos have a 20-30% edge over the players because most players do not play basic strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    Most casinos have a 20-30% edge over the players because most players do not play basic strategy.
    House edge as you’ve stated would negate their ability to attract repeat business. An inflicted stupidity of a formula for self destruction.

    Oh.......I’m still waiting for your successful analysis of the strategies pertaining to FBM ASC Advanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    House edge as you’ve stated would negate their ability to attract repeat business. An inflicted stupidity of a formula for self destruction.

    Oh.......I’m still waiting for your successful analysis of the strategies pertaining to FBM ASC Advanced.
    I am still waiting for Dog Hand to do an analysis on my ace side counting. Let me first clear my doubts on my part first. Yours is more advanced and needs a lot of work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    Most casinos have a 20-30% edge over the players because most players do not play basic strategy.
    99.9% of statistics are made up. This is one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronbog View Post
    99.9% of statistics are made up. This is one of them.
    I found this number of 20-30% from casino reports from Atlantic City. Why do people not like this good statistics? I have received 3 dislikes on this meaningful so far. All others are saying nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    Most casinos have a 20-30% edge over the players because most players do not play basic strategy.
    You may be talking about "hold", which has little relation to edge. But, even that's high for hold.
    "I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    You may be talking about "hold", which has little relation to edge. But, even that's high for hold.

    Yes, of course. Stating that a casino has a 20%-30% edge over most players, because they don't know BS, is outrageously wrong. We know that that edge is more in the 2% range, while the hold is around 16%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    Most casinos have a 20-30% edge over the players because most players do not play basic strategy.
    In my experience, most players do play basic strategy and thus many, often, get upset at a card counter’s actions that deviate from Basic strategy. Some don’t know it very well, others know basic strategy but when it’s in conflict with their intuition, or their personality, they deviate (splitting 9’s against an 8, hitting or doubling A7, etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tal32bur View Post
    The 'catch' is that the max bets are extremely low.

    I'm guessing the local casinos are all run by the government with job creation is the main motivation for casinos rather than house profit.
    So you can only make a 1-20 unit spread? If so, maybe thats the reason behind the generous rules. Now, if we could only get more casinos to follow suit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Jackson View Post
    So you can only make a 1-20 unit spread? If so, maybe thats the reason behind the generous rules. Now, if we could only get more casinos to follow suit.
    Absolutely no relation. The problem isn't the spread, it's the "low limit". This game can easily be beaten with a play all approach and only a 1-10 spread offering a very interesting c-Score.
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