Don/other experts, How to find covariance of a game ?

[James989]

There are two approaches to blackjack problems. If combinatorial analysis can not solve it, simulation might solve it. Clear?

You are not answering my question, we know it can be calculated with simulations but why you so sure it also can be done with combinatorial analysis in your first post ? And then you said not sure in your post #8.

[aceside]

You are not answering my question, we know it can be calculated with simulations but why you so sure it also can be done with combinatorial analysis in your first post ? And then you said not sure in your post #8.

I was just being humble. Let me assure you now. It can be done with combinatorial analysis.

[James989]

I was just being humble. Let me assure you now. It can be done with combinatorial analysis.

Thank you very much

[aceside]

Thank you very much

There were some barbs questioning my expertise earlier.

[21forme]

I responded to your post because I am an expert.

No wonder this forum is so popular. We have both a self-proclaimed expert and a Genius here to help everyone.

[Norm]

It can be done with combinatorial analysis.

Not accurately for how the game is played in a casino.

[aceside]

No wonder this forum is so popular. We have both a self-proclaimed expert and a Genius here to help everyone.

Apparently Don is not an expert on this topic because he is silent seeing this, but Norm is definitely an expert. I can easily tell who is an expert by listening to what he is saying.

[DSchles]

Apparently Don is not an expert on this topic because he is silent seeing this, but Norm is definitely an expert. I can easily tell who is an expert by listening to what he is saying.

Sigh. What are you trying to do, shame me into responding? Unlike you, I don't talk when I don't have something intelligent to add to what has already been said competently and correctly (by Norm, in this case). See Griffin, p. 142, E. The comment that, "from simulated hands," he was able to ascertain the covariance of two simultaneous hands of blackjack speaks volumes. If Griffin couldn't calculate the covariance analytically, then no one could. Or perhaps, your vast blackjack capabilities exceed his. Please do tell us how to do it with CA. We're all ears.

Don

[aceside]

Sigh. What are you trying to do, shame me into responding? Unlike you, I don't talk when I don't have something intelligent to add to what has already been said competently and correctly (by Norm, in this case). See Griffin, p. 142, E. The comment that, "from simulated hands," he was able to ascertain the covariance of two simultaneous hands of blackjack speaks volumes. If Griffin couldn't calculate the covariance analytically, then no one could. Or perhaps, your vast blackjack capabilities exceed his. Please do tell us how to do it with CA. We're all ears.

Don

Now come the real question for you two. I have been considering buying CVData and CVCX to guide me through betting on blackjack to become a real pro, but there is one thing I am not confident about these two softwares. I always play two hands whenever I have an advantage in blackjack because I believe in the maximum expected return. I want these softwares to guide my bet spread when I play two hands simultaneously. Have your software considered the covariance issue and the bet spread for simultaneously two hands playing?

[Norm]

CVCX is accurate when playing one hand. When it comes to two hands, CVCX uses an estimation technique using the single hand results and lots of tables generated by CVData to determine covariance and count frequencies to calculate Kelly betting, etc. CVData supports up to seven hands changing the number of hands based on numerous user specified factors. These calculations include covariance and are accurate when calculating Kelly betting, risk, SCORE, etc.