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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    This is putting the cart before the horse. The problem with most APs is their chip piles will dwindle before they can even rathole.
    aceside
    As per usual, you’ve missed the point. You rathole to decrease your win. Further, you rathole to increase your loss. Impact on casino estimated win/loss is huge.

    smalltowngirl
    i think you’ve asked some pretty good questions. I’ll find some time this evening to respond with my $.02

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    smalltowngirl
    i think you’ve asked some pretty good questions. I’ll find some time this evening to respond with my $.02
    Freightman, I didn't explicitly ask any questions, but I'd still love to hear your $.02. My AP experience has been a pretty lonely one, and I'm thirsty to compare notes with other folks to continue to learn and grow. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalltowngirl View Post
    I disagree with the first sentence, but to ZeeBabar's underlying point, it helps to know casino protocols so you can manipulate them to your advantage and stay under the radar. I don't pretend to be an expert on this, but here are a few observations/tips from my own experience:


    1. Make sure you don't attract attention when you do it. Figure out how to do it when the dealer is paying attention to something else, when the floor managers are at a different table, etc. A little sleight of hand helps, especially if you do it in a way that won't be obvious to the security cameras. You might also want to think through what sort of clothing choices can help facilitate your rat holing strategy.
    2. The best opportunities I've spotted for staying under the radar are rat holing when someone sits down with chips or walks away without coloring up because it's a natural time for the floor to attribute the missing chips to that other person.
    3. There are certain colors at every table that get special scrutiny. It might differ from casino to casino, but if you're at a $25 table, for example, black chips (and up) are likely to be heavily scrutinized. Rat holing green chips is your best bet (except on the rare occasions when #2 above applies and someone sits down or walks away with a bunch of black chips).
    4. It's basically impossible to rat hole chips if you're playing heads up (one-on-one with the dealer). There are plenty of perks of playing heads up, just don't think you'll be able to rat hole.
    5. I read somewhere you should try to rat hole enough chips equal to roughly twice your EV. So if your EV is $50/hr, you should try to rat hole $100/hr in chips. I don't follow that advice specifically, but the idea, of course, is that in the long run you'll appear to be a losing player.
    6. I read somewhere that big-name casinos have trackers in every chip. I suspect rat holing in those casinos would be more difficult because they'd be able to tell exactly who has each chip. So you might have better luck with this in smaller casinos. But I have no insight into which casinos do and do not use these sorts of chips.


    That's all based on things I've read or things I've observed in the stores I visit. You'll probably learn a lot once you actually are in a casino and playing. As best you can, try to observe what's happening around you. Look for weaknesses and opportunities. And don't be afraid to start small and get bolder as you build your confidence, skills, and knowledge.
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    Make sure you don't attract attention when you do it. Figure out how to do it when the dealer is paying attention to something else, when the floor managers are at a different table, etc. A little sleight of hand helps, especially if you do it in a way that won't be obvious to the security cameras. You might also want to think through what sort of clothing ch
    1k chips and above. Put in your shirt pocket in plain view of EITS and critter. Let them see you. Rest pretty much as per your comments

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    1. The best opportunities I've spotted for staying under the radar are rat holing when someone sits down with chips or walks away without coloring up because it's a natural time for the floor to attribute the missing chips to that other person.
    Yup, pop a black or 2 in, provided stakes played by departing player justify this


    1. It's basically impossible to rat hole chips if you're playing heads up (one-on-one with the dealer). There are plenty of perks of playing heads up, just don't think you'll be able to rat hole.
    Don’t even try

    read somewhere you should try to rat hole enough chips equal to roughly twice your EV. So if your EV is $50/hr, you should try to rat hole $100/hr in chips. I don't follow that advice specifically, but the idea, of course, is that in the long run you'll appear to be a losing player.
    Double your EV is overkill as they will know know if you’re a decent player or not. Your EV per hour, regardless if you’re winning or losing. Decrease your win, increase your loss

    Dont cash out rathole chips after your session. Do it later or have someone else do it

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