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    Lucky Ladies Shoe Game

    https://www.888casino.com/blog/side-...kjack-side-bet
    https://www.blackjackincolor.com/blackjacksidebet1.htm

    I know there are multiple threads on this topic already. My questions is, does anybody still play the LL side bets today? If so;

    - What is your level of play? (Red/Green/Black Chipper)
    - What count system you use?
    - How many decks do you play? (2 deck, 6 deck, 8 deck)
    - At what TC do you place your LL side bets?
    - Do you use a bet spread on the LL side bets?
    - Roughly how many times did you hit the 200-1 and 1000-1?
    - Roughly how many hours have you played til you finally hit the 200-1 and 1000-1? (Maybe even the next time you hit it again)

    Looking to read some good stories of people's success. Accomplishing and taking home some ladies in red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultramood View Post
    https://www.888casino.com/blog/side-...kjack-side-bet
    https://www.blackjackincolor.com/blackjacksidebet1.htm

    I know there are multiple threads on this topic already. My questions is, does anybody still play the LL side bets today? If so;

    - What is your level of play? (Red/Green/Black Chipper)
    - What count system you use?
    - How many decks do you play? (2 deck, 6 deck, 8 deck)
    - At what TC do you place your LL side bets?
    - Do you use a bet spread on the LL side bets?
    - Roughly how many times did you hit the 200-1 and 1000-1?
    - Roughly how many hours have you played til you finally hit the 200-1 and 1000-1? (Maybe even the next time you hit it again)

    Looking to read some good stories of people's success. Accomplishing and taking home some ladies in red.
    I win QHQH around 2 or 3 times a year as I go to the casino 3 or 4 times a week.

    I hit QHQH with dealer blackjack once in five years.

    Also Elliot did not realized that his Ten count can be decomposed into HL and A789mTc so that both LL and blackjack can be played profitably at the same time.

    Also Elliot's sims were for 2 decks. His indices were slightly larger than the indices needed for the shoe game See my following explanation.

    tc = true count, dp = decks played, dr = decks remaining, LLc -= Lucky Ladies count.

    For a given Lucky Ladies player's advantage, as decks remaining (dr) decreases, the tc(LLc) needed to keep that given Lucky Ladies player's advantage increases. Increasing tc(LLc) increases the probability of 1st Ten to compensate for the decrease in the probability of getting the 2nd Ten as dr decrease which keeps the compound probability of getting two Tens constant.

    This is because, for a given tc(LLc) the probability of getting the first Ten is the same throughout the shoe but the probability of getting the second Ten given the player's first card is a Ten decreases as decks remaining (dr) decreases. So to keep the compound probability of getting two Tens constant throughout the shoe, as dr decreases the probability of getting the first Ten must increase (i.e. tc(LLc) must increase) to compensate for the fact the that probability of the getting the second Ten decreases as dr decreases.

    Consider the perfect Ten count using KO instead of HL. Then Tc = KO + AA89mTc.

    Suppose Tc = crc(4) = 4*n. Then P(T) = (1/3). P(T,T) = P(1st T)*P(2nd T given 1st T).
    cr = cards remaining, Tr = Tens remaining

    If cr = 90 then Tr = 30 and P(T,T) = (30/90)*(29/89) = (1/3)*(0.3258) = 0.1086. Prob(2nd Ten) = 0.3258.

    If cr = 9 then Tr = 3 and P(T,T) = (3/9)*(2/8) = (1/3)*(0.2500) = 0.0833. Prob(2nd Ten) = 0.2500.

    As dr decreases, probability of 2nd Ten decreases so to keep P(T,T) constant, P(1st Ten) must increase as dr decrease

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    You only need to know +7 is the trigger for Hi Lo and +13 or +12 is the trigger for Zen or other level 2 counting system.

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    The HiLo SCORE is higher at +9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    You only need to know +7 is the trigger for Hi Lo and +13 or +12 is the trigger for Zen or other level 2 counting system.
    Look at the link that Ultramood posted as the initial thread to this posting
    https://www.888casino.com/blog/side-...kjack-side-bet

    Elliot's sims verify that a Ten count is best for the Lucky Ladies bet, not the HL.

    Also Elliot's sims were for the 2 deck game which trigger indices are slightly higher than the shoe game (when dr > 2) as I described in my previous post.

    The HL has a Ten count efficiency of only 76% whereas Elliot's suggested count where the 2 through 9 are +1 and the Tens -2 has a Ten count efficiency of 98%.

    The HL is an inferior count for the Lucky Ladies bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjanalyst View Post
    Also Elliot's sims were for the 2 deck game
    Some of them were, yes. But others were for six decks and eight decks. Did you scroll through the article all the way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    Some of them were, yes. But others were for six decks and eight decks. Did you scroll through the article all the way?
    And only play the version with 1/10/25/200 payout version (6D), not the 1/9/19/125 version which needs higher trigger point. I have never encountered the latter so I did not know it exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    And only play the version with 1/10/25/200 payout version (6D), not the 1/9/19/125 version which needs higher trigger point. I have never encountered the latter so I did not it exists.
    Absolutely. Never patronize the 1/9/19/125 Lucky Ladies game. You are encouraging the casino to offer an inferior game if you do

    The Wizard of Odds analyzes several difference Lucky Ladies payout schedules.
    https://wizardofodds.com/games/black.../lucky-ladies/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    Some of them were, yes. But others were for six decks and eight decks. Did you scroll through the article all the way?
    You are correct. There are sims for Lucky Ladies for the shoe game and just as I predicted the LL trigger true count is slightly less for the shoe game than for the two deck game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjanalyst View Post
    You are correct. There are sims for Lucky Ladies for the shoe game and just as I predicted the LL trigger true count is slightly less for the shoe game than for the two deck game.
    seems you have a fan or 2 also from the douchebag category.

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