Wonging and flat bet at TC>+1 only

[PromVRT]

Suppose someone can do this strategy consistently without being caught:
Wonging in and flat bet every hand at TC>+1 only, leave after that and back counting until the criteria is met again.

Does this player has the edge over the dealer? Assume he plays perfect basic strategy with perfect deviation. And favourable rule: S17, 8 decks, DAS, BJ 3:2

[Freightman]

The answers are
yes, you have the edge
no, sooner or later you’ll get caught

Biggest problem is you may only get a couple of hands till RC drops. 8 deck which I normally would stay away from, works better for you though since true rises and falls slower than 6 deck. If you wait till true 1.5, you’ll get more longevity.

my comments about being caufpght are dependent on number of tables in play.

[DSchles]

The very origin of the term Wonging came from that very way of playing by Stanford Wong. He flat bet $500 a hand at shoe games whenever he had the edge and left when he didn't.

Don

[BoSox]

Suppose someone can do this strategy consistently without being caught:
Wonging in and flat bet every hand at TC>+1 only, leave after that and back counting until the criteria is met again.

Does this player has the edge over the dealer? Assume he plays perfect basic strategy with perfect deviation. And favourable rule: S17, 8 decks, DAS, BJ 3:2

If you are going to go through all the trouble of only Wonging in and out, why limit yourself to only flat betting? Nothing wrong with using a 1 to 4 spread while doing that. Now the reason that I said in the first sentence of you going through all the trouble of only Wonging is that you can only Wong in to so many tables "meaning short term, flat bet or not" or you are going to get caught. Before we forget you will quickly become an enemy to the plops who like to go with the flow. Not to mention inadvertently Wonging in more than once on a counter who will not take it kindly.

[Anton Chigurh]

This is essentially a way of spreading with just two bets: $0 and your maximum bet.

Even flat-betting while playing only counts of -2 or better will be profitable, assuming you have the massive bankroll (relative to your flat bet) to deal with the fluctuations - not ramping your bet in higher postive counts can make for a wild ride over short-term intervals.

If you're willing to do a 2:1 spread, Wong in at +1 and out at -1, the bankroll fluctuations won't be too bad.

Get a hold of the CVCX simulator, and you can play with just these scenarios. You should understand the risk.

Even a 2:1 spread is much safer than a flat bet, giving less risk of ruin and better profit for the same bankroll.

[PromVRT]

Thanks for all advice.
I don’t intend to apply this in land-based casinos anyway. I ask in the case for online sites where the likelihood of getting caught is unlikely and I am free to access the table and back count without sitting. I don’t intend to get large profits anyway but just relax and ensure I have the edge or not.

[BoSox]

Suppose someone can do this strategy consistently without being caught:
Wonging in and flat bet every hand at TC>+1 only, leave after that and back counting until the criteria is met again.

I don’t intend to apply this in land-based casinos anyway. I ask in the case for online sites where the likelihood of getting caught is unlikely and I am free to access the table and back count without sitting.

Sure read like you were talking about land based casinos'. Anyway I do not have any experience at all with playing online sites. Not realizing that sites actually used cut cards. I thought that there would be very little if at all of a cut card placement on online games. Either way I would not trust any online game, call me old fashioned.

[seriousplayer]

Suppose someone can do this strategy consistently without being caught:
Wonging in and flat bet every hand at TC>+1 only, leave after that and back counting until the criteria is met again.

Does this player has the edge over the dealer? Assume he plays perfect basic strategy with perfect deviation. And favourable rule: S17, 8 decks, DAS, BJ 3:2

Yes, assuming there is no other counter at the table you are Wonging. Novice counters try to do that all the time when I am at the table. Guess what I do when they backcount and Wong in? I spread to two or three hands. That would eat up the positive count quickly. Then they end up playing one to two hands. Unskilled gamblers get angry and irritated when I do that. Some even stubbornly stayed at my table when the count turn negative. Sometimes I turn my head behind them and laugh. Since I know what they are doing I would play a couple of hands when the count is negative and leave the table because I know they are waiting for a good count.

[PromVRT]

Sure read like you were talking about land based casinos'. Anyway I do not have any experience at all with playing online sites. Not realizing that sites actually used cut cards. I thought that there would be very little if at all of a cut card placement on online games. Either way I would not trust any online game, call me old fashioned.

The penetration is poor TBH, not exceeding 60% for sure. For famous and well-known large operator like Evolution Gaming, Playtech or NetEnt I know I can trust because they are regulated. (Though I try to avoid Evolution Gaming since I cannot double after split, adding 0.2%-0.3% to the edge.) I have even noted down all cards drawn and observed whether the proportion of low cards are too high or not. (The answer is no, the counts go in a variety of direction, both positive and negative.)

Due to poor penetration, I have never encountered the situation when TC becomes greater than +4, even +3 is very rare and +2 tends not to persist that long. However, the advantage is the easiness to sit and stand from the table at any time. Unlike land-based casinos, I can even play for one hand and leave many times or just watch the table without being caught. So, I know I can avoid deep negative count at all cost (let the losers play).