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    Lightbulb Loss Training

    First of all, I want to thank everyone for this wonderful forum. I am literally stunned at the betting acumen consistently displayed by so many members and all of the help and resources that have instantly been made available to me. I actually feel that my "betting consciousness" has been uplifted by simply joining this forum and interacting with you all -- and THAT is very special!

    I am not just spouting words here. I have come up with an idea for a method of play that never even occurred to me before and I actually feel that it was inspired (at least in some part, possibly a large part) through my association with this forum!

    Here it is:

    Just about anyone can win 80% of the time and a skilled player can even win over 90% of the time but all of that is meaningless if a player cannot win (or at least know how to survive, which is a form of winning) against the very worst sequences; the ones that occur less than 1% of the time.

    Why not start play at a balance deficit of say -1000 units and play all training games (not real money) to recover that debt?

    Now, I know that I am not the brightest bulb in the shed, heck I'm not even the sharpest tool in the drawer! So, I have questions about this. Basically they all come down to:

    1) Is this viable as a training method?
    2) How effective of a training method would this be?

    Should I type some GF things in here to help bolster response?
    Last edited by Reyth; 04-17-2020 at 07:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reyth View Post
    Just about anyone can win 80% of the time and a skilled player can even win over 90% of the time
    This is not even close, like almost double the true numbers. I'll leave the exact numbers to Don or Norm.

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    Are you saying that we are expected to lose half of our sessions? I feel like you have misinterpreted my meaning with the word "win"?

    Oh, I think you probably mean per "shuffled set of decks"?
    Last edited by Reyth; 04-17-2020 at 07:39 PM.

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    I interpreted it as number of hands won. In any case, your win rates are still way overstated.

    Most people who come to this forum with their ideas about how to win with their betting systems and are told they are wrong, start insulting those who took the time to respond. I have to give you credit for your tenacity and remaining polite.

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    Having been a forum moderator has helped me to have a thick skin and the desire to get along with everyone. I must also thank God because but by His grace... etc.

    Ya, I mean won sessions. I try to win +100 units every session but sometimes I get worn out because of high volatility and EOS early. This training method would force me to win 10x that amount, upping the pressure tremendously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reyth View Post
    Having been a forum moderator has helped me to have a thick skin and the desire to get along with everyone. I must also thank God because but by His grace... etc.

    Ya, I mean won sessions. I try to win +100 units every session but sometimes I get worn out because of high volatility and EOS early. This training method would force me to win 10x that amount, upping the pressure tremendously.
    Sigh. Despite your prior statement, you have learned ABSOLUTELY NOTHING here whatsoever. You have zero understanding of what you are saying. And, this thread will likely continue for probably another 100 posts, but you'll excuse me if I make this my last one. You aren't TRYING to understand; rather, you're trying to educate us, which is an exercise in pure futility.

    Don

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    Just about anyone can win 80% of the time and a skilled player can even win over 90% of the time
    Playing with an advantage, you will win about 55-60% of all your playing sessions.

    Like Don said, you do not seem to try to understand anything but rather get approuval to all the non sense you're talking. "Close" to trolling.
    G Man

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    Reyth,

    Rather than continuing to antagonise the regulars here, why don't you take a step back and examine some of the fundamentals underlying that around which you're raising questions? Here are three to be going on with . . .

    (a) why is the game of blackjack fundamentally different from that of roulette?

    (b) why is it possible to play BJ with a mathematical advantage (if the game conditions are right of course) but not the wheel of doom (in the vast, vast, vast majority of cases)?

    (c) why is it not possible to illicit the same advantage when playing RNG based blackjack games online (afterall, the rules will still be the same)?

    +++

    You're quite right in that you do stand to learn loads here about the maths behind the game of blackjack (I certainly did many years ago), and possibly other gambles as well if you ask nicely, but only if you're prepared to ditch those long standing voodoo considerations you seem to be hanging on to. The example you posted, of your string of past results where you have selectively highlighted a section of it, is a completely meaningless exercise as knowing what they are will have no impact on what is going to happen in the future - regardless of whether you're playing with an advantage over the house or otherwise. The only benefit in examining past results is to see whether they fall within statistical norms or not (ie as a test to see whether you've been playing a rigged game). Past results have no value whatsoever in informing future betting decisions. That is the simple truth. If you feel there's merit in debating that then I'm afraid you're in the wrong place.

    Lastly, listen to Don S. He has one of the most respected gambling-maths minds on this planet. If he says you're barking up the wrong tree, then you're barking up the wrong tree.

    Regards,

    UK-21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reyth View Post
    Why not start play at a balance deficit of say -1000 units and play all training games (not real money) to recover that debt?
    Quote Originally Posted by Reyth View Post
    1) Is this viable as a training method?
    2) How effective of a training method would this be?
    Without further explanation on your part showing the meaning regarding why starting out with a negative 1000 units that apparently was borrowed money "debt" "even in a practice session, it is a really bad choice of a word for the example on a forum" the answers are no on both questions.

    In the real world, the casinos do not care how the customers acquired the money they are playing with. Now if someone is down 1000 units or 1 unit at any point in time that money is in the casinos' tray and belongs to the casino period. There are underlining implications in your posts that could very well hurt beginners as well as yourself. Like, in this case, the first implication is that players must get back their own money, very bad thinking. You imply whether you say it or not that a player has to play differently depending upon the current up or down status of a player in the middle of a session.

    Uk-21 said it very well in the above post:

    Quote Originally Posted by UK-21 View Post
    You're quite right in that you do stand to learn loads here about the maths behind the game of blackjack (I certainly did many years ago), and possibly other gambles as well if you ask nicely, but only if you're prepared to ditch those long standing voodoo considerations you seem to be hanging on to. The example you posted, of your string of past results where you have selectively highlighted a section of it, is a completely meaningless exercise as knowing what they are will have no impact on what is going to happen in the future - regardless of whether you're playing with an advantage over the house or otherwise. The only benefit in examining past results is to see whether they fall within statistical norms or not (ie as a test to see whether you've been playing a rigged game). Past results have no value whatsoever in informing future betting decisions. That is the simple truth. If you feel there's merit in debating that then I'm afraid you're in the wrong place.

    Lastly, listen to Don S. He has one of the most respected gambling-maths minds on this planet. If he says you're barking up the wrong tree, then you're barking up the wrong tree.
    Last edited by BoSox; 04-18-2020 at 07:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UK-21 View Post
    Reyth,

    Rather than continuing to antagonise the regulars here, why don't you take a step back and examine some of the fundamentals underlying that around which you're raising questions? Here are three to be going on with . . .

    (a) why is the game of blackjack fundamentally different from that of roulette?

    (b) why is it possible to play BJ with a mathematical advantage (if the game conditions are right of course) but not the wheel of doom (in the vast, vast, vast majority of cases)?

    (c) why is it not possible to illicit the same advantage when playing RNG based blackjack games online (afterall, the rules will still be the same)?

    +++

    You're quite right in that you do stand to learn loads here about the maths behind the game of blackjack (I certainly did many years ago), and possibly other gambles as well if you ask nicely, but only if you're prepared to ditch those long standing voodoo considerations you seem to be hanging on to. The example you posted, of your string of past results where you have selectively highlighted a section of it, is a completely meaningless exercise as knowing what they are will have no impact on what is going to happen in the future - regardless of whether you're playing with an advantage over the house or otherwise. The only benefit in examining past results is to see whether they fall within statistical norms or not (ie as a test to see whether you've been playing a rigged game). Past results have no value whatsoever in informing future betting decisions. That is the simple truth. If you feel there's merit in debating that then I'm afraid you're in the wrong place.

    Lastly, listen to Don S. He has one of the most respected gambling-maths minds on this planet. If he says you're barking up the wrong tree, then you're barking up the wrong tree.

    Regards,

    UK-21
    Nicely written post. And thanks for the kind words at the end. One nitpick: for future reference, elicit, not illicit.

    Don

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