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    Road trip

    Hello everyone. I am a relatively new AP and am going on my first serious trip in mid January. I'm talking one month on the road only leaving a casino when I get backed off. Currently I've been backed off 4 times and have about 100 hours of play. If anyone wants to message me with encouragement or advice it would be appreciated. I'm super excited and in the process of buying a couple different looks ^_^

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    Four backoffs in only 100 hours of play seems like a lot. How much are you betting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craven View Post
    Hello everyone. I am a relatively new AP and am going on my first serious trip in mid January. I'm talking one month on the road only leaving a casino when I get backed off. Currently I've been backed off 4 times and have about 100 hours of play. If anyone wants to message me with encouragement or advice it would be appreciated. I'm super excited and in the process of buying a couple different looks ^_^
    Relatively new AP, 1st road trip, slash and burn approach, 1 back off per 25 hours of play.

    So, what are your stakes, what is your bankroll, what are your anticipated travel expenses, what is your ROR, and being newish, has anyone audited your quality of play. Some guesses - You’re robotic to the count about as subtle as a brick shithouse, have not yet hit a stretch of negative variance.

    Further guesses, some level 1 system, which is fine, but likely without a real knowledge of index play. Haven’t run sims, or if so, not calculated travel expense into the equation, a grinder.

    What I’m trying to tell you is - be careful. Don’t think you’ve thought this through. Of course, if you’re well funded, seasoned, familiar with effect of house edge on results including variance, sufficient stakes to overcome cost of travel etc etc, just tell me to stuff it.

    One last thing - please don’t say you’ll economize by sleeping in your car, showering at truck stops. and eating fast food.

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    I would bet an old $2 that the OP was attracted to Blackjack after watching Inside the Edge!
    Go on my friend... I better stop here.
    G Man

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    Good luck, man. 100 hours is not really an adequate sample size to say you're ready for a road trip, but I do wish you well.

    One general comment and question for others: What is the fascination with back-offs by neophytes and even some seasoned veterans? Personally, I prefer optimizing play for longevity rather than short-term gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Relatively new AP, 1st road trip, slash and burn approach, 1 back off per 25 hours of play.

    So, what are your stakes, what is your bankroll, what are your anticipated travel expenses, what is your ROR, and being newish, has anyone audited your quality of play. Some guesses - You’re robotic to the count about as subtle as a brick shithouse, have not yet hit a stretch of negative variance.

    Further guesses, some level 1 system, which is fine, but likely without a real knowledge of index play. Haven’t run sims, or if so, not calculated travel expense into the equation, a grinder.

    What I’m trying to tell you is - be careful. Don’t think you’ve thought this through. Of course, if you’re well funded, seasoned, familiar with effect of house edge on results including variance, sufficient stakes to overcome cost of travel etc etc, just tell me to stuff it.

    One last thing - please don’t say you’ll economize by sleeping in your car, showering at truck stops. and eating fast food.
    Rules, rules, rules....the 3 most important things after pen, pen, pen.....

    DD vs shoe = drastically diff in terms of back offs

    100 hrs is child's play

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    Rules, rules, rules....the 3 most important things after pen, pen, pen.....

    DD vs shoe = drastically diff in terms of back offs

    100 hrs is child's play
    For this guy, sounds about right. Not blanket for everyone. Depending on factors, house tolerance, ability to manipulate rules VS. pen, and a few other skills which trump your blanket statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Relatively new AP, 1st road trip, slash and burn approach, 1 back off per 25 hours of play.

    So, what are your stakes, what is your bankroll, what are your anticipated travel expenses, what is your ROR, and being newish, has anyone audited your quality of play. Some guesses - You’re robotic to the count about as subtle as a brick shithouse, have not yet hit a stretch of negative variance.

    Further guesses, some level 1 system, which is fine, but likely without a real knowledge of index play. Haven’t run sims, or if so, not calculated travel expense into the equation, a grinder.

    What I’m trying to tell you is - be careful. Don’t think you’ve thought this through. Of course, if you’re well funded, seasoned, familiar with effect of house edge on results including variance, sufficient stakes to overcome cost of travel etc etc, just tell me to stuff it.

    One last thing - please don’t say you’ll economize by sleeping in your car, showering at truck stops. and eating fast food.
    Well I can see y'all are grizzled vets. I'm definitely factoring in hotel and travel expenses. I have a 28K bankroll max bet is 2x200. Slash and burn approach. I've mainly played double deck for high EV and low N-0. ROR around 2%.

    Definitely subtle as a brick shit house. As soon as the count calls for an increased bet I do it. No cover play. I know about 30-40 index plays and working on the rest two at a time.

    As far as negative variance in currently in a 128 unit downswing. Worst ever was a little over 200 units when I first started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    Rules, rules, rules....the 3 most important things after pen, pen, pen.....

    DD vs shoe = drastically diff in terms of back offs

    100 hrs is child's play
    I'm hoping to gain 300+ more hours on this month long trip to add to my charts. I've stuck around DD with max bet of 2x200, but can only play for 15-30mins at one shop generally before I get their attention. Part of the reason I'm traveling is so I can figure out what not to do without losing my locals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBear4SJ View Post
    Good luck, man. 100 hours is not really an adequate sample size to say you're ready for a road trip, but I do wish you well.

    One general comment and question for others: What is the fascination with back-offs by neophytes and even some seasoned veterans? Personally, I prefer optimizing play for longevity rather than short-term gain.
    I too prefer an optimizer approach when it comes to my locals. However since I'm traveling to places I don't intend on returning to I'm going in with a burn it down mindset this time. I only mentioned the backoffs since I'm new to this forum and knew a seasoned pro would question if I knew what I was doing. Even though I only have 100 hours in live time I easily have double or triple that in training at home before playing. I'm not there to gamble, I'm there to make money.

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