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    Anyone have their Local Casino completely remove All Blackjack games?

    My local Casino, Gulfstream Park Casino has removed ALL Blackjack Games. They replaced the Blackjack Machines with more Slot Machines.

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    Is this the result of Corona virus/the pandemic?

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    In Florida there was the lawsuit a few years back that the Seminole's won, essentially that "Ante/poker-style" table games at the racinos and card rooms violated the Seminole's gaming pact. As part of the settlement, the racinos and card rooms were forced to remove these games. It's taken a while, but now it seems to have come to pass.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...159823589.html

    The Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation must also enforce a rule that prevents competing casinos and card rooms from operating blackjack and slot machines that mimic the banked card games the tribe is entitled to operate exclusively in Florida.

    I was the expert for the State of Florida in this case -- it all came down to (if you can believe it) whether Chemin de Fer was ever offered in the U.S. At the time the compact was written, the only reference book on the topic was "Scarne on Cards", and folks who didn't know any better just copy and pasted Scarne's language, which mentioned Chemin de Fer, a player banked version of baccarat, as excluded. The judge based his ruling on that language. After the fact, we found the intern for Senator Inouye who did the copy/paste, and she was ready to testify that no one knew what it meant. But, too late.


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    Interesting. But we have had one tribal casino here that originally was "no ante" all the time and had good BJ games for quite some time. Then rules got worse; added H17 when used to be S17; started adding antes to games on weekdays. Started decreasing penetration. Dealers started leaving; play reduced. It became a bad place to play. Then after they reopened after Covid hit, they removed all their table games and added more slot machines. Real loss and stupid to me. But like Don has said, never underestimate the stupidity of casino management. If they had the games they started with, there would be players who play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MJGolf View Post
    Interesting. But we have had one tribal casino here that originally was "no ante" all the time and had good BJ games for quite some time. Then rules got worse; added H17 when used to be S17; started adding antes to games on weekdays. Started decreasing penetration. Dealers started leaving; play reduced. It became a bad place to play. Then after they reopened after Covid hit, they removed all their table games and added more slot machines. Real loss and stupid to me. But like Don has said, never underestimate the stupidity of casino management. If they had the games they started with, there would be players who play.
    ”the stupidity of casino management” which is mostly Harvard or Zivly League educated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    ”the stupidity of casino management” which is mostly Harvard or Zivly League educated.
    First, I suspect many Vegas casino managers are UNLV educted. You are overestimating them.

    Next, performance by the Zivly (sic) League educated and Nobel Prize winners are not guarantees for success. Remember LTCM?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-T...tal_Management
    And then there's Gary Loveman, exCEO of Caesars, with MIT and Harvard to his credentials. He left before Caesars' bankruptcy, but certainly contributed to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    First, I suspect many Vegas casino managers are UNLV educted. You are overestimating them.

    And then there's Gary Loveman, exCEO of Caesars, with MIT and Harvard to his credentials. He left before Caesars' bankruptcy, but certainly contributed to it.
    He was smart, he acted when he saw Covid coming...

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