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    early surrender vs 10, late surrender vs A,house edge is?

    Rules:
    8decks
    Double On Any 2 Cards DAS
    NO Resplit
    Blackjack pays 3:2
    Dealer Stands on Soft 17
    Dealer peek on Ace(not ten)
    Early surrender vs 10, late surrender vs A
    House edge is?????
    I cant find the Strategy Have both ES and LS

    Have both a and b

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    ES10 adds .24
    no splits? -.1, clarify
    Sr after ace peek .0

    https://wizardofodds.com/games/black...le-variations/

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    total house edge is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    ES10 adds .24
    no splits? -.1, clarify
    Sr after ace peek .0

    https://wizardofodds.com/games/black...le-variations/
    clarify no split’s as asked. I assume spl3 with NRSA of aces with DAS, which you need to spell out. I can tell you approx what it is, assum8ng it’s what I think it is. You can figure it out yourself by checking the link I provided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kk7778 View Post
    Rules:
    8decks
    Double On Any 2 Cards DAS
    NO Resplit
    Blackjack pays 3:2
    Dealer Stands on Soft 17
    Dealer peek on Ace(not ten)
    Early surrender vs 10, late surrender vs A
    House edge is?????
    I cant find the Strategy Have both ES and LS

    Have both a and b
    From http://www.beatingbonuses.com/houseedge.htm
    The House Edge is 0.35%

    Take it lightly cause when I add the numbers in a cross reference I do not get the same answer... Give me a moment.

    Take 2

    Ok, forget about this reference site...
    BJA3 gives a HE of 0.243%
    MGP's BJCA gives a HE of 0.241%

    So you answer is 0.24%
    Last edited by G Man; 10-15-2020 at 07:55 AM.
    G Man

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    only once time split(maximum 2 hands) No Resplit Ace(Ace split only one card)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kk7778 View Post
    only once time split(maximum 2 hands) No Resplit Ace(Ace split only one card)
    Yep, that's it!
    G Man

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    sorry,my English is so poor,whats this means?BJA3 gives a HE of 0.243%
    MGP's BJCA gives a HE of 0.241%
    whats BJA3?MGPs? BJCA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kk7778 View Post
    sorry,my English is so poor,whats this means?BJA3 gives a HE of 0.243%
    MGP's BJCA gives a HE of 0.241%
    whats BJA3?MGPs? BJCA?
    The House Edge you were looking for including the rules you mention in your first post and only once time split(maximum 2 hands) No Resplit Ace(Ace split only one card)

    BJA3 for Blackjack Attack 3 gives a House Edge of 0.243%
    MGP's BJCA for MGP's Blackjack Combinatorial Analyzer gives a House Edge of 0.241%

    So you can settle on a House Edge of 0.24%
    G Man

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    QQ??20201017151219.jpgIs this optimal Strategy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kk7778 View Post
    QQ??20201017151219.jpgIs this optimal Strategy?

    No, not quite. Why don't you double 11 vs. 10? Although ES is permitted on 16 vs. dealer's 10, and is the right play, why would it say to stand if you can't surrender? Same for 8,8 vs. 10. Finally, 16 vs. A is surrender.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    Here is the Basic Strategy you should be using for this game.

    Attachment 4395Attachment 4395
    Not quite. 16 vs. A is surrender. Also, the reason 16 vs. T is Rs is because, if you haven't surrendered your 16, it means it's a multi-card 16, and that's a fine point of BS to stand. Might not be apparent to everyone. Wasn't apparent to me the first time around.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Not quite. 16 vs. A is surrender. Also, the reason 16 vs. T is Rs is because, if you haven't surrendered your 16, it means it's a multi-card 16, and that's a fine point of BS to stand. Might not be apparent to everyone. Wasn't apparent to me the first time around.

    Don
    The chart I posted is a total mess... :-)
    It did not take into account that LS was permitted against the Ace and I also never realized splits and soft hands are not presented! Shame on me :-)
    I deleted the post.
    G Man

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