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    As the moderator -- I'm not eligible.
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    Norm just doesn't want to get a 1099Misc

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Norm just doesn't want to get a 1099Misc
    Does this thread seem like it’s missing anything to you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    As the moderator -- I'm not eligible.
    I'm declaring you eligible. But suit-aware tags are disqualified.

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    SCORE comparison table (using rational bets) on the stock sims in CVCX:
    Hi Opt 2 Full Indices ASC: 94.28
    Zen Original Full Indices: 90.19
    Hi Opt 2 Full Indices: 87.5
    Halves Full Indices: 87.14
    FELT-F Full Indices: 80.79
    McDuck's 50-index KO: 79.94
    Hi-Lo Full Indices: 77.2
    REKO-F Double Deck: 75.49
    Hi Opt 1 Full Indices: 71.60
    Every time I try to trim Hi-Lo down to 50 RA indices: ~70
    KO Full 1 & 2 decks: 67.29
    KISS III: 64.26
    FELT: 63.96
    KO Preferred: 62.79
    REKO: 62.02
    Red 7: 62.01
    HiLo Sweet 16: 59.73
    Canfield Expert: 58.71

    Level 2 truecounted systems can be 15% better on paper, but you lose a lot of that back in terms of speed, errors, fatigue, and heat from constantly looking at the discard tray.
    The published KO systems are very suboptimal, but when the indices are tuned correctly for the # of decks, it beats the crap out of Hi-Lo on DD (and has equality on 6D). There's basically no reason for anyone to ever use hi-lo since KO is at least as good on paper, and KO will get you superior speed & accuracy.

    The contest boils down to fine-tuning the indices on KO. I don't think any other L1 tags can come close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scroogemcduck View Post
    Level 2 truecounted systems can be 15% better on paper, but you lose a lot of that back in terms of speed, errors, fatigue, and heat from constantly looking at the discard tray.
    Are you implying that Level 2 true counted systems require more frequent views of the discard tray than level 1 true counted systems?

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    I find it amazing BJ Analyst has not commented on this thread. They would get along great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beating vegas View Post
    Does this thread seem like it’s missing anything to you ?
    I see you answered your own question before I saw it

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    I see you answered your own question before I saw it
    Yup. I screwed that up.

    He could be the winner of the 1,000
    dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beating vegas View Post
    I find it amazing BJ Analyst has not commented on this thread. They would get along great.
    His systems all have multiple parameters (they have a lot of side counts). This contest needs to be one parameter level one counting system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21frogman View Post
    Are you implying that Level 2 true counted systems require more frequent views of the discard tray than level 1 true counted systems?
    Why would anyone use a level 1 true counted system when KO is better than all of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scroogemcduck View Post
    Why would anyone use a level 1 true counted system when KO is better than all of them?
    The eye of the beholder is often nearsighted, without benefit of proper corrective lenses.

    PS
    I use a level 3, without issues relating to fatigue, error etc. Simplistic claims often used by others for manipulative self justification. In fact, it seemed to me that one banned member relied on manipulative self justification to increase masturbatory pleasure. I guess he blew the roof off, so to speak.

    https://youtu.be/5iqjGCLXQyA

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    Quote Originally Posted by scroogemcduck View Post
    Let's settle the "what's the best Blackjack counting system" debate once and for all with a contest. I'll pay $1000 in bitcoin to the submission with the highest SCORE in CVCX, subject to the following rules:
    Stations DD rules (2D H17 DAS 75%pen RS4 noRSA noSurrender 1burncard)
    Single-parameter Level1 count
    6 to 1 spread
    one hand only
    Play All
    <= 50 indices (counting insurance, not counting A9vX indices if they're a copy of TTvX)
    No depth-based or composition-based indices.
    No suit-aware tags.
    If you do true count conversion, Quarter Deck is the limit on deck estimation. No Exact Card.

    If there is a tie, whoever posted it first gets the prize.
    Winning submissions will be independently verified in CVCX so don't go messing around with wonging/bonuses.

    To be eligible for the prize, you have to beat my system by 1%: https://imgur.com/a/0pTNEFs
    That means you need a score of 80.76 in a CVCX sim of at least 10 billion rounds.
    Submit your entry by replying to this thread with a screenshot of the sim and all the index tables (just like my imgur link above). Upload it somewhere instead of posting as an attachment because BJTF will make the resolution too low to read.

    The contest ends Nov 30 at midnight.
    I Guess Hands Per Hour does not matter since it does not affect score? Hence your 140.

    Also-are you saying that it has to be less than 50 indices?
    http://bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi

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