Lucky Ladies Shoe Game

**Ultramood** · 09-21-2020, 01:56 PM

https://www.888casino.com/blog/side-...kjack-side-bet
https://www.blackjackincolor.com/blackjacksidebet1.htm

I know there are multiple threads on this topic already. My questions is, does anybody still play the LL side bets today? If so;

- What is your level of play? (Red/Green/Black Chipper)
- What count system you use?
- How many decks do you play? (2 deck, 6 deck, 8 deck)
- At what TC do you place your LL side bets?
- Do you use a bet spread on the LL side bets?
- Roughly how many times did you hit the 200-1 and 1000-1?
- Roughly how many hours have you played til you finally hit the 200-1 and 1000-1? (Maybe even the next time you hit it again)

Looking to read some good stories of people's success. Accomplishing and taking home some ladies in red.

**bjanalyst** · 09-25-2020, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by Ultramood

https://www.888casino.com/blog/side-...kjack-side-bet
https://www.blackjackincolor.com/blackjacksidebet1.htm

I know there are multiple threads on this topic already. My questions is, does anybody still play the LL side bets today? If so;

- What is your level of play? (Red/Green/Black Chipper)
- What count system you use?
- How many decks do you play? (2 deck, 6 deck, 8 deck)
- At what TC do you place your LL side bets?
- Do you use a bet spread on the LL side bets?
- Roughly how many times did you hit the 200-1 and 1000-1?
- Roughly how many hours have you played til you finally hit the 200-1 and 1000-1? (Maybe even the next time you hit it again)

Looking to read some good stories of people's success. Accomplishing and taking home some ladies in red.

I win QHQH around 2 or 3 times a year as I go to the casino 3 or 4 times a week.

I hit QHQH with dealer blackjack once in five years.

Also Elliot did not realized that his Ten count can be decomposed into HL and A789mTc so that both LL and blackjack can be played profitably at the same time.

Also Elliot's sims were for 2 decks. His indices were slightly larger than the indices needed for the shoe game See my following explanation.

tc = true count, dp = decks played, dr = decks remaining, LLc -= Lucky Ladies count.

For a given Lucky Ladies player's advantage, as decks remaining (dr) decreases, the tc(LLc) needed to keep that given Lucky Ladies player's advantage increases. Increasing tc(LLc) increases the probability of 1st Ten to compensate for the decrease in the probability of getting the 2nd Ten as dr decrease which keeps the compound probability of getting two Tens constant.

This is because, for a given tc(LLc) the probability of getting the first Ten is the same throughout the shoe but the probability of getting the second Ten given the player's first card is a Ten decreases as decks remaining (dr) decreases. So to keep the compound probability of getting two Tens constant throughout the shoe, as dr decreases the probability of getting the first Ten must increase (i.e. tc(LLc) must increase) to compensate for the fact the that probability of the getting the second Ten decreases as dr decreases.

Consider the perfect Ten count using KO instead of HL. Then Tc = KO + AA89mTc.

Suppose Tc = crc(4) = 4*n. Then P(T) = (1/3). P(T,T) = P(1st T)*P(2nd T given 1st T).
cr = cards remaining, Tr = Tens remaining

If cr = 90 then Tr = 30 and P(T,T) = (30/90)*(29/89) = (1/3)*(0.3258) = 0.1086. Prob(2nd Ten) = 0.3258.

If cr = 9 then Tr = 3 and P(T,T) = (3/9)*(2/8) = (1/3)*(0.2500) = 0.0833. Prob(2nd Ten) = 0.2500.

As dr decreases, probability of 2nd Ten decreases so to keep P(T,T) constant, P(1st Ten) must increase as dr decrease

**aceside** · 01-04-2021, 01:29 PM

Hi, I recently played lucky ladies when counting with HiLo. I have hit QhQh several times in a row within several days, also QhQh+ dealer BJ once, but unfortunately I did not bet on the QhQh+dealer BJ because the HiLO count was negative when that rare event happened. I am thinking to improve the correlation between counts and bets. To do this, I am planning to use my ace side count to obtain accuracy, but I don't know how to use this ace side count to correct the HiLo counts? Any thoughts on this part?

**Eliot** · 01-04-2021, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by aceside

Hi, I recently played lucky ladies when counting with HiLo. I have hit QhQh several times in a row within several days, also QhQh+ dealer BJ once, but unfortunately I did not bet on the QhQh+dealer BJ because the HiLO count was negative when that rare event happened. I am thinking to improve the correlation between counts and bets. To do this, I am planning to use my ace side count to obtain accuracy, but I don't know how to use this ace side count to correct the HiLo counts? Any thoughts on this part?

If you have a deeply dealt DD game with a $100 LL maximum, forget about ordinary card counting and use:

First QH = -10
Second QH = -2
etc., as in:

https://www.888casino.com/blog/side-...kjack-side-bet

Forget about LL for six-deck shoe games. It's not worth it.

**aceside** · 01-04-2021, 07:34 PM

I trust you because you published so much, but it is almost impossible to find such a game in this world.

**Eliot** · 01-05-2021, 06:15 AM

Yes, there are almost no good opportunities for card counting Lucky ladies. In Washington state in the early 2000s you could find exactly the game I described above. I think shuffle tracking is a much better tool against lucky ladies than card counting.

**stopgambling** · 01-05-2021, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Eliot

Yes, there are almost no good opportunities for card counting Lucky ladies. In Washington state in the early 2000s you could find exactly the game I described above. I think shuffle tracking is a much better tool against lucky ladies than card counting.

Totally agree with EJ . LL is a garbage opportunity generally unless in situations as examples described by EJ . I had opportunity of getting the first card with Qh but still missed a face card a few times . : (

**Jabberwocky** · 01-06-2021, 11:40 AM

In shoe games, I bet no more than 20% of the max for the side bet. Only in DD am I willing to bet the max. That's how bad it is.

**BJGenius007** · 01-05-2021, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Eliot

Forget about LL for six-deck shoe games. It's not worth it.

Six deck shoe game LL trigger TC is +13 for Zen and +7 for Hi-Lo. It rarely happen but occasionally TC can go that high even a shoe game. After winning a big hand, bet on LL and said I feel lucky.

**aceside** · 01-05-2021, 08:29 AM

The shoe game LL trigger TC +7 for Hi-Lo is based on there are enough Qh in the remaining deck. if not, it should be a lot higher.

**BJGenius007** · 01-05-2021, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by aceside

The shoe game LL trigger TC +7 for Hi-Lo is based on there are enough Qh in the remaining deck. if not, it should be a lot higher.

Zen and Hi-Lo do not track Queen of Heart specifically. It is about rich on face cards so players can have positive EV on the side bet.

**BJGenius007** · 09-25-2020, 05:26 PM

You only need to know +7 is the trigger for Hi Lo and +13 or +12 is the trigger for Zen or other level 2 counting system.

**bjanalyst** · 09-26-2020, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by BJGenius007

You only need to know +7 is the trigger for Hi Lo and +13 or +12 is the trigger for Zen or other level 2 counting system.

Look at the link that Ultramood posted as the initial thread to this posting
https://www.888casino.com/blog/side-...kjack-side-bet

Elliot's sims verify that a Ten count is best for the Lucky Ladies bet, not the HL.

Also Elliot's sims were for the 2 deck game which trigger indices are slightly higher than the shoe game (when dr > 2) as I described in my previous post.

The HL has a Ten count efficiency of only 76% whereas Elliot's suggested count where the 2 through 9 are +1 and the Tens -2 has a Ten count efficiency of 98%.

The HL is an inferior count for the Lucky Ladies bet.