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    Quote Originally Posted by beating vegas View Post
    Yes I’m comfortable with my skills. Mr master tracker..

    Do you really think your a master ? I’m not the best black player in the world like you. I’m always looking to improve my skills and learn new ones.

    As far as shuffle tracking goes it’s not my top skill but I can do it with a weak shuffle.
    1. At the expense of the master, not only I think so, but many on this forum, who played with me.
    2. What is the negative of the NRS if it is a separate formula? What are you going to do with the positive NRS?
    3.Do you know how many pseudo trackers I've seen and heard in my life? They can only loudly talk about some secret skills and spoil the sweet rules. They only need to say a couple of phrases about the counting system and theory, and I immediately understand everything ...
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    [QUOTE=beating vegas;291789
    I’m always looking to improve my skills and learn new ones.
    [/QUOTE]

    If you are able to ST than you should be able to keep a simple plus/minus side count to add to the HL for example.

    The readers of this post have complained for the past two years that keeping plus/minus side counts is too difficult to do and a lot of work and they get confused.

    I explained a little earlier that using chips there is almost no extra work in keeping plus/minus side counts.

    Here is a thread I posted on adding 5m9c to the HL to improve mainly betting but also improves a few playing strategy changes. Just read my inital post of this thread as the readers got off track. My initial post describes HL w 5m9c.

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...de-count-to-HL

    HL w 5m9c still underperforms HO2 w ASC and I estimate that it would be on par with Wong's Halves.

    The next level after adding 5m9c to the HL is to add AA78mTc the HL so you would have HL with 5m9c and AA78mTc which my CC shows handily beats HO2 w ASC.

    So I would like to get feedback from someone like you who is always open to learning new blackjack skills.

    I have absolutely no problem in keeping the side counts with chips. I have no super memory or extraordinary skills. But as I said the readers of this forum all think keeping plus/minus side counts are extremely difficult. I think they are either doing something wrong or are afraid to try anything new because with chips the 5m9c is very easy to do. Actually keeping only one extremely simple side count as the 5m9c you should be able to do this even without using chips, but use chips to make it very easy to use.

    So that is why I would like your opinion.

    Please try a few shoes keeping the 5m9c with the HL and let me know if you can do it easily and then report back so everyone knows.

    If you can ST, which I can not, then you should definitely be able to keep a 5m9c side count with the HL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    1. At the expense of the master, not only I think so, but many on this forum, who played with me.
    2. What is the negative of the NRS if it is a separate formula? What are you going to do with the positive NRS?
    3.Do you know how many pseudo trackers I've seen and heard in my life? They can only loudly talk about some secret skills and spoil the sweet rules. They only need to say a couple of phrases about the counting system and theory, and I immediately understand everything ...
    Don’t refer to yourself in the 3rd person. How many shuffles have you tracked in a real casino in a year?

    Because the most common hand shuffle I see is a double riffle double ladder.

    None the less we can do better then a boring formula discussion.

    Give me a trackable shuffle and I will step by step show you how to track a slug.

    I’m not a master like you but I can track a slug under the right conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjanalyst View Post
    If you are able to ST than you should be able to keep a simple plus/minus side count to add to the HL for example.

    The readers of this post have complained for the past two years that keeping plus/minus side counts is too difficult to do and a lot of work and they get confused.

    I explained a little earlier that using chips there is almost no extra work in keeping plus/minus side counts.

    Here is a thread I posted on adding 5m9c to the HL to improve mainly betting but also improves a few playing strategy changes. Just read my inital post of this thread as the readers got off track. My initial post describes HL w 5m9c.

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...de-count-to-HL

    HL w 5m9c still underperforms HO2 w ASC and I estimate that it would be on par with Wong's Halves.

    The next level after adding 5m9c to the HL is to add AA78mTc the HL so you would have HL with 5m9c and AA78mTc which my CC shows handily beats HO2 w ASC.

    So I would like to get feedback from someone like you who is always open to learning new blackjack skills.

    I have absolutely no problem in keeping the side counts with chips. I have no super memory or extraordinary skills. But as I said the readers of this forum all think keeping plus/minus side counts are extremely difficult. I think they are either doing something wrong or are afraid to try anything new because with chips the 5m9c is very easy to do. Actually keeping only one extremely simple side count as the 5m9c you should be able to do this even without using chips, but use chips to make it very easy to use.

    So that is why I would like your opinion.

    Please try a few shoes keeping the 5m9c with the HL and let me know if you can do it easily and then report back so everyone knows.

    If you can ST, which I can not, then you should definitely be able to keep a 5m9c side count with the HL.
    Because it’s not with it. How many times does the same thing have to be said to you.

    Your nonsense is not worth it. Then your going to bitch and moan that people are rude to you.

    Stop making long posts that no one cares about.

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    Beating Vegas, I live in Europe. Now coronavirus in World, I play online Omaha and Chinese poker - great game for card counters, that I recommend to you too. I don't want to discuss anything about tracking, I can only give you a few hints. Anyone can hunt down slugs, but only a few in the world can cut and play correctly, especially with complex shuffle.
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    Bjanalyst, When shuffling cards, which hand will have more fives and eights? ? In the right or left hand ? This is the case for all pseudo trackers that claim to have this skill using side count systems. First figure out how tracking works, and then write long messages.
    Last edited by Gramazeka; 09-22-2020 at 08:35 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    Beating Vegas, I live in Europe. Now coronavirus in World, I play online Omaha and Chinese poker - great game for card counters, that I recommend to you too. I don't want to discuss anything about tracking, I can only give you a few hints. Anyone can hunt down slugs, but only a few in the world can cut and play correctly, especially with complex shuffle.
    I don’t recall asking for your help. Perhaps we have a communication problem. Is English your 2nd language and if yes is it the English they teach in the U.K. ?

    Excuse the poor grammar....

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    Quote Originally Posted by beating vegas View Post
    Because it’s not with it. How many times does the same thing have to be said to you.

    Your nonsense is not worth it. Then your going to bitch and moan that people are rude to you.

    Stop making long posts that no one cares about.
    OK So you lied when you said "I’m always looking to improve my skills and learn new ones."

    I now see that you are not interested in improving your skills or learning anything new like you said you were.

    And now I have serious doubts that you can ST either. If you cannot move chips around how in the world can you ST?

    And you state that my count system is nonsense without any proof to back up your statements that is it nonsense.

    Gronbog did sims that showed KO w AA89mTc and 5m7c smashed the HO2 w ASC so I have proof that my system works and is not nonsense.

    Now it is your turn.

    Show me proof that can ST.

    If no proof on your part that you can ST then it is your statements that are nonsense, not mine.

    I see that the readers of this forum are close minded, do not want to try anything new and are too lazy to learn how to easily move chips around to improve their game.

    So stop the lies and stop saying "I’m always looking to improve my skills and learn new ones" because you are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    Bjanalyst, When shuffling cards, which hand will have more fives and eights? ? In the right or left hand ? This is the case for all pseudo trackers that claim to have this skill using side count systems. First figure out how tracking works, and then write long messages.
    I mentioned many times that I cannot ST. I am not going to pretend to do something that I cannot do.

    But I can move around chips for my side counts and my system does beat HO2 w ASC.

    And I am not simply claiming to have a skill with side counts, I have definitive proof that my side counts work.

    Gronbog's sims show KO with AA89mTc and 5m7c handily beat HO2 w ASC for all scenarios and for both no LS and LS games.

    Attached as a two page PDF are Gronbog's sim results of KO with AA89mTc and 5m7c which as you can see definitively beat HO2 w ASC.
    KO with side counts.pdf
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    Please stop posting the same docs and text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjanalyst View Post
    OK So you lied when you said "I’m always looking to improve my skills and learn new ones."

    I now see that you are not interested in improving your skills or learning anything new like you said you were.

    And now I have serious doubts that you can ST either. If you cannot move chips around how in the world can you ST?

    And you state that my count system is nonsense without any proof to back up your statements that is it nonsense.

    Gronbog did sims that showed KO w AA89mTc and 5m7c smashed the HO2 w ASC so I have proof that my system works and is not nonsense.

    Now it is your turn.

    Show me proof that can ST.

    If no proof on your part that you can ST then it is your statements that are nonsense, not mine.

    I see that the readers of this forum are close minded, do not want to try anything new and are too lazy to learn how to easily move chips around to improve their game.

    So stop the lies and stop saying "I’m always looking to improve my skills and learn new ones" because you are not.
    Side counts are not a new thing. When I say I like to always improve skills that’s from people who have more experience then me. Not you
    You don’t understand basic fundamentals..

    Yes on weak shuffles I can do slug tracking. There is not much shuffle tracking shuffles out there.

    Do people use chips for shuffle tracking yes.

    Go practice your count. You come across as I idiot. When I respond to you I feel like I’m talking to a idiot.

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    Now we're into calling people liars and idiots. Closed.
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