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    Define discipline

    I was curious what percentage of gambling is in blackjack pro and most AP players' games, in losing and winning streaks, respectively. I suppose it is greater than zero (especially in losing streaks), and pros may also have occasional problems of overbetting and emotional control in these streaks (or not?) In my understanding, BJ is a gambling game after all, even with a small edge by the AP players (in most cases).

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    not gambling, sticking to a plus ev plan & going for it even though you know fluctuations happen, also not being to lazy to do what needs to be done.

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    See the post below this one about the gentlemans Devastating loss.
    Zero discipline was involved from start to the horrible crash at the end.
    Discipline is knowing the math, accepting that this is a game of variance with a very small edge.
    When the game loses its excitment and you realize the only out come to the game is X amount of EV an hr or hand
    then you will know discipline.

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    When playing and experiencing unlikely losses I'm as dispassionate as can be. I realize that it's a roller coaster ride with ups and downs. What's hard for me is to act like it really bothers me to lose a big double down or a series of big bets when it's more like, "Oh well, next hand".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mofungoo View Post
    When playing and experiencing unlikely losses I'm as dispassionate as can be. I realize that it's a roller coaster ride with ups and downs. What's hard for me is to act like it really bothers me to lose a big double down or a series of big bets when it's more like, "Oh well, next hand".
    "The Great Mofungoo", ( I like the sound of that).

    Actually, when I "lose a big double down" or "a series of big bets", I am actually very embarrasssed, because I have failed, as an AP one should never accept failure,
    if you do you have lost your edge, there must have been something you could have done to ameliorate that loss, that is the proper response.

    As to how to handle it, you could do an act, as an out of control gambler, not some slick cool BJ machine, show emotion, act out a drama for a few seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouchez View Post

    Thoughts about: "not some slick cool BJ machine"
    It's kind of funny, Ouchez, We work hard to get to the point that we understand and can deal with the swings. To the point that results of hands, even max bet hands with some splits and double downs, really have little meaning. And when we finally get to this point, we have to learn to turn on the act as if they do bother us.

    Defining discipline (title of thread): Discipline is walking into a casino, sitting down at a six deck game. The count goes positive early on and you start throwing out and losing max bet after max bet. Doubledowns, splits. Everything seems to lose. At the shuffle you get up and walk rather than revert back to a small bet. You are down 8 grand. You walk across the street to another casino. Sit down at a six deck game and start betting your minimum wager, $25. The count stays neutral for three shoes. No spikes up or down. You continue to bet your minimum wager for all three shoes, never tempted to bet more and chase the previous losses. At the end of the third shoe, you get up and walk, up $37.50 for the session, down $7962.50 for the day. You think about the two sessions and you feel good because you racked up $90 in EV. That my friends is discipline.

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    waking up in the morning excited about the days blackjack prospects despite 9 straight days of losses and being in the red every single day of the year so far. This is discipline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJmath View Post
    I was curious what percentage of gambling is in blackjack pro and most AP players' games, in losing and winning streaks, respectively. I suppose it is greater than zero (especially in losing streaks), and pros may also have occasional problems of overbetting and emotional control in these streaks (or not?) In my understanding, BJ is a gambling game after all, even with a small edge by the AP players (in most cases).
    dis·ci·pline
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    • training to ensure proper behavior: the practice or methods of teaching and enforcing acceptable patterns of behavior
    • order and control: a controlled orderly state.
    • calm controlled behavior: the ability to behave in a controlled and calm way even in a difficult or stressful situation


    I think the 3rd part of the definition applies... along with the TRAINING part
    Only the strong survive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouchez View Post

    Actually, when I "lose a big double down" or "a series of big bets", I am actually very embarrasssed, because I have failed, as an AP one should never accept failure,
    if you do you have lost your edge, there must have been something you could have done to ameliorate that loss, that is the proper response.

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    For me it's not a results oriented situation, it's a process oriented situation. As long as I have executed the process correctly the short term results are meaningless. I'll get 'em in the long run and I know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mofungoo View Post
    For me it's not a results oriented situation, it's a process oriented situation. As long as I have executed the process correctly the short term results are meaningless. I'll get 'em in the long run and I know it.
    "Great Mofungoo",

    So, as an Engineer, you have built the new fighter jet to specs and executed that process correctly, and the final results are that the Fighter only does Mach 1 and not the Mach 2 it should, that result is meaningless, (your words)............................................ .. ??? Pity the poor pilot when he gets into combat! What do you tell him,,,"sorry, maybe next time"?

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    Ouchez, it sounds to me like you need to have some sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mofungoo View Post
    Ouchez, it sounds to me like you need to have some sex.
    Haven't you heard? Ouchez owns a brothel in Canada!
    ~Tom (aka "PT")

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    Quote Originally Posted by mofungoo View Post
    Ouchez, it sounds to me like you need to have some sex.
    Thanks,, but no thanks,, I am flattered, just that I don't swing that way.

    Ouchez

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom View Post
    Haven't you heard? Ouchez owns a brothel in Canada!
    Tom,

    When in the area stop by, you do, as an AP, qualify for discount Look me up at "The Panthers Lair", across the river from Detroit.

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    Ouchez

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