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    I am saying, if you can easily beat the house with ASC alone without QTC.
    You can, easily. Much closer to actual sims. It’s the Advanced portion which throws a lot of hurdles at you. I don’t even think Don or Gronbog can overcome the issues, so please leave it alone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    You can, easily. Much closer to actual sims. It’s the Advanced portion which throws a lot of hurdles at you. I don’t even think Don or Gronbog can overcome the issues, so please leave it alone
    But I can say this for sure. When the remaining deck is profitable, you should bet one hand when there is an excess of aces, and two hands when there is a deficit of aces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    But what I can say this for sure. When the remaining deck is profitable, you should bet one hand when there is an excess of aces, and two hands when there is a deficit of aces.
    Assuming heads up - Why?
    Assuming not playing heads up - Why would you not play 2 hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Assuming heads up - Why?
    Assuming not playing heads up - Why would you not play 2 hands.
    I play mostly heads up because of effectiveness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    I play mostly heads up because of effectiveness.
    Not what I meant. Why switch between 1 & 2 hands while playing heads up. In a positive count, You’re only card eating your way to a quicker shoe conclusion. Your only real justification for doing so is butting up against table max.

    Speaking of butting, maybe Dalmatian would like to weigh in.

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    When there are more aces than normal, dealer will not bust than normal but get more naturals, so player should cut down total bet size. When there are less aces than normal, dealer will bust more than normal and get less naturals, so player should put out more total bet size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    When there are more aces than normal, dealer will not bust than normal but get more naturals, so player should cut down total bet size. When there are less aces than normal, dealer will bust more than normal and get less naturals, so player should put out more total bet size.
    When they’re more aces than normal, I’m delighted to trade blackjacks with the dealer all day long, especially in a positive count, with good QTC when bets are well over minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    When they’re more aces than normal, I’m delighted to trade blackjacks with the dealer all day long, especially in a positive count, with good QTC when bets are well over minimum.
    When there are more aces than normal, you bet $200 on a single hand. However, when there are less aces than normal, you bet $150 on each of your two hands. It is a controlled game.
    Last edited by aceside; 05-17-2021 at 09:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    When there are more aces than normal, you bet $200 on a single hand. However, when there are less aces than normal, you bet $150 on each of your two hands. It is a controlled game.
    Heads up play
    I understand what it is you’re trying to say, I also understand that your logic is flawed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    When they’re more aces than normal, I’m delighted to trade blackjacks with the dealer all day long, especially in a positive count, with good QTC when bets are well over minimum.
    Exactly. As usual, aceside's logic is bass ackwards.

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    bass ackwards
    Hmmm. Reminds me of an organization called DAM - Mothers Against Dyslexia

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    Freightman, is it the case that sometimes in a TC of +2 or +3, you might not increase your bet? And sometimes at a TC of 0 or -1, you might increase your bet? On the double-ramp aspect I think you are basically just betting more when middle cards are depleted, and betting less when middle cards are rich. But what I’m most curious about are what is betting behavior like in the very frequent TCs close to zero. Perhaps your betting is more accurate than Halves alone, and may even appear like sloppy play to a surveillance person using Hi Lo to see when you are raising or lowering your bets.

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    A very good and interesting question
    Freightman, is it the case that sometimes in a TC of +2 or +3, you might not increase your bet?
    If I don’t increase my bet, I started the shoe with at least 2 units.

    And sometimes at a TC of 0 or -1, you might increase your bet?
    Absolutely. One of the beauties of a 2 ramp system. Or, to look at it another way - a range which incorporates min and max bets per range. The upper range of a lower TC will intersect with the lower range of a higher TC etc.

    On the double-ramp aspect I think you are basically just betting more when middle cards are depleted
    One (poor) way to look at it. A better way to say that is face cards must be equal, preferably in excess of middle cards (6,7,8,9) - catch phrase QTC or Quality of True Count.

    But what I’m most curious about are what is betting behavior like in the very frequent TCs close to zero. Perhaps your betting is more accurate than Halves alone,
    Not necessarily off the top of the deck, but definitely so the deeper into the shoe you get. The real power is at the higher TC’s - catch phrase QTC.

    and may even appear like sloppy play to a surveillance person using Hi Lo to see when you are raising or lowering your bets.
    Bingo. You can’t disguise counting. You can effectively disguise skill level. Cumulative is what gets me, but until then, I’m regarded as a poor deck estimator non optimal good basic player.

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