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    Her professional credentials are impressive. A chip of the old block!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    https://www.rctfhalloffame.com/jodi-...-salsberg.html

    The fact that I was a sprinter has virtually no carryover to knowledge for coaching the horizontal jumps.

    Don
    As a kid, I was an enthusiastic student of the horizontal jump. I was particularly fond of the naked reverse.

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    Again another thread that has gone "off track!"

    The $3,000 price tag is steep but for many it is a small investment in sharpening their skills. The return on investment can be huge. I haven't done the bootcamp. I would do it if my current situation was different. I regret not doing it years ago when I had the funds and the time. I wonder where I would be today?

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    Halbruno:
    Again another thread that has gone "off track!"

    The $3,000 price tag is steep but for many it is a small investment in sharpening their skills. The return on investment can be huge.
    LOL... Again another thread that has gone "off track!"
    You're damn right!

    With $3000 you can buy all the good BJ books and softwares (CVData not to mention) in existence and learn by yourself. You will learn a lot more and have many texts to refer to, datas, etc.
    I will tell you the big secret: If you can't make it by yourself, YOU WON'T MAKE IT ANYWAY! No matter who's teaching you.

    If like many aspiring counters (unfortunately) you have to start with $5000 or $10000 as a bankroll, with today's game and using a "pro approach" with RoR (less than 1%) you'll need anything between 100 to 200 hours of play to have your EV cover the price of the camp and I'm not talking about expenses here. This is for many more than a year of part time play only to get even.

    Now maybe you can tell me that simply starting with $100 000 as a bankroll will get it done....
    1- If you have never played BJ, starting with $100 000 will mostly end up in a disaster.
    2- If you have played long enough to gain the necessary experience to manage a $100K bankroll, you don't need the camp.

    The big money maker is Colin. Period.
    With the money he started with and the money he made, he was on the right side of the curve from the first hand.
    Aren't you tired of reading funny stories about players who started with $1000 and grown it to 6 figures? It's not those who succeed that are interesting to see, it's the thousands who failed.
    Are you impressed by the last lottery millionaire cause he only started with $1 and make it to 7 figures?
    He too was on the right side of the curve....
    G Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    With $3000 you can buy all the good BJ books and softwares (CVData not to mention) in existence and learn by yourself. You will learn a lot more and have many texts to refer to, datas, etc.
    I will tell you the big secret: If you can't make it by yourself, YOU WON'T MAKE IT ANYWAY! No matter who's teaching you.
    +1

    I've met several BJA bootcamp "graduates" and to Colin's credit, they all seem knowledgeable, understanding N0, risk, etc. However, if someone doesn't have the motivation and/or ability to learn on their own, I doubt they will be a long-term success in this biz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post

    I will tell you the big secret: [B]If you can't make it by yourself, YOU WON'T MAKE IT ANYWAY! No matter who's teaching you.

    Now maybe you can tell me that simply starting with $100 000 as a bankroll will get it done....
    1- If you have never played BJ, starting with $100 000 will mostly end up in a disaster.
    2- If you have played long enough to gain the necessary experience to manage a $100K bankroll, you don't need the camp.
    There will be some success stories evolving from the Colin camp. However, I have to agree with G Man. A person dedicated to the craft teaching themselves basic, counting, index play (starting with I18) money management will evolve into the stronger seasoned player. Most of the Colin debutantes, as in many fields of endeavour, will fail.

    His comment “starting with a 100k bankroll” will not get it done. That individual still hasn’t learned from the school of hard knocks and will likely tilt at some point and blow it. His point 1 is the correct result in most cases. His point 2, as far as I’m concerned, will always be correct.

    In my birthing days, after screwing around For several months, with no concept of money management, I started my dedicated bankroll with $600 that someone had owed and paid me back. I supplemented that with $150 or $250 a few months later. I’ve made that back many hundreds of times over.

    I could have just as easily assigned 100k as BJ bankroll, but at that point in time, I was “not immune” to the swings, and would have likely exposed that money to a higher level of risk than I would have been comfortable with. Also, my wife would have been upset as that would have been a degree of gambling. Further, I’m conservative by nature and would prefer to observe before putting serious money at risk. Now, the ability is known and swings are no big deal to her. Of course, those swings are reduced by the regaled FBM ASC Advanced CC system.

    Having commented, I’m observing a graduate of Colins system who seems to have at long term chance of success.

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    Gman, I agree with your overall assessment. Still, I feel that all the books in the blackjack library, most of which I have read, can only provide you the theoretical tools. After learning all that is presented and putting it into play, the practical side still needs analysis by an expert. So, even though one may be book smart, in practice s/he may still be an intermediate player. There are those who can translate the theoretical information successfully into practice and there are those who still need coaching to fine tune their abilities. I feel that I am in that second category. I should have been tested out a long time ago by an accomplished AP. That's how the bootcamp benefits many players.

    On the other hand Gman and 21forme you've got me wondering how many players complete the bootcamp and still are unsuccessful?
    Last edited by Halbruno; 08-18-2020 at 08:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halbruno View Post
    Gman, I agree with your overall assessment. Still, I feel that all the books in the blackjack library, most of which I have read, can only provide you the theoretical tools. After learning all that is presented and putting it into play, the practical side still needs analysis by an expert. So, even though one may be book smart, in practice s/he may still be an intermediate player. There are those who can translate the theoretical information successfully into practice and there are those who still need coaching to fine tune their abilities. I feel that I am in that second category. I should have been tested out a long time ago by an accomplished AP. That's how the bootcamp benefits many players.

    On the other hand Gman and 2forme you've got me wondering how many players complete the bootcamp and still are unsuccessful?
    The ‘reader” also plays while he’s learning, which is how he seasons. Further, I think most players deep down gave a good feel for the strength of their game.

    Excellent record keeping, and the ability to analyze that data will give you the information to plug your leaks and improve your game. In fact, excellent record keeping told me the weaknesses in my game, .and in fact led me onto the path of the regaled FBM ASC Basic to begin with and ultimately to the FBM ASC Advanced.

    Colins debutantes will have a well rounded education for the most part. Their demise will come from bankroll deficiency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halbruno View Post
    the practical side still needs analysis by an expert.
    You think that can be attained from a weekend seminar?

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    On the other hand Gman and 21forme you've got me wondering how many players complete the bootcamp and still are unsuccessful?
    I really have no idea, but given the BJA graduates I've run into in the casinos and chatted with, I'd guess 10% last more than 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    but given the BJA graduates I've run into in the casinos and chatted with, I'd guess 10% last more than 3 years.
    In post 26, last sentence, I made reference to a Colin disciple. His career nearly ended on a last bet of bankroll scenario, with a super max Hail Mary below index split, which worked out for him - a gamble. A loss would have meant a bankroll rebuild. He’s built a decent bankroll. I think he knows that I would give him shit if it were to happen again.

    Insufficient funding is a career killer.

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