Opinion of Blackjack Apprenticeship?

[G Man]

The forum is full of helpful Pro APs

I doubt any such "APs" would pay $250 per year to give advice...
I doubt any such "APs" would pay a dime to give advice or participate in a forum.
Show me 10 "PRO APs" and I will show you 7-8 liars.

[Sharky]

.....Show me 10 "PRO APs" and I will show you 7-8 liars.

X2....I play a lot....everywhere....literally....RARELY encounter true AP

[21forme]

X2....I play a lot....everywhere....literally....RARELY encounter true AP

I have encountered a good number, including BJA members.

[Scrum]

What’s the definition of a true AP?

[bjarg]

What’s the definition of a true AP?

Good point.
I personally would define it as someone who can consistently 1) play at +EV and 2) make money from it.

[bjarg]

I doubt any such "APs" would pay a dime to give advice or participate in a forum.

False.
Maybe not now, but there was a time when many of the best players in the world where more than happy to pay the fee to participate in Green Chip.

[G Man]

True but it was not a $250 rip off

[bjarg]

True but it was not a $250 rip off

If my memory serves me correct back in its golden days the fee for Green Chip was around $20/month which amounts to $240/year. I may be wrong. Probably someone else can confirm this.

[Norm]

Might be thinking of black chip. Which was likely mostly casinos.

[G Man]

They only Blackjack pages I'd be ready to pay $200-$300 per year would be some kind of a "VIP" section where all the members are known by others and 99% sure casinos are out of it. Say a limited 25-50 members exchanging valuable info. No clown like we can see on free pages...

Also, when I think about "Pro APs", it's not the "AP" that needs a definition but the "Pro".
Many players like to tag themselves as being "Pro" when in fact they might play et the "pro level" or "expert level" but being a "Pro" means that at least 90% of your income are derived from AP play.
Now, tell me again how many "Pros" are coming from that great $2000 + rip off?

[bjarg]

Might be thinking of black chip. Which was likely mostly casinos.

I was never a member of black chip. And I stopped paying for green chip a few years ago when its value went to virtually zero.

[bjarg]

Also, when I think about "Pro APs", it's not the "AP" that needs a definition but the "Pro".
Many players like to tag themselves as being "Pro" when in fact they might play et the "pro level" or "expert level" but being a "Pro" means that at least 90% of your income are derived from AP play.
Now, tell me again how many "Pros" are coming from that great $2000 + rip off?

You are way off.
First, defining what a "PRO" is is discussing semantics.
Who the hell cares what your definition (or anybody elses for that matter) of a pro is?
Sounds to me you want to be labeled a "Pro" and you are bothered by the fact that other people are trying to label themselves under your same category.
A completely irrelevant and pointless discussion.

Second, you dont have the slightest clue about how many "pros" are coming from BJA. Neither do I. Nor do you have any idea of the value people participating from those courses are getting for their $2000 investment.

You may like Colin or BJA or not, but calling it a rip off is just nonsense. The guy knows the trade and is more than capable to teach it to others. Whether you consider it to be expensive or not is a subjective matter and theres a big difference between something expensive and a "rip off".

And by the way, I know players that learned the game with BJA. all of them are doing very well and have nothing bad to say about colin or bja.

[Norm]

Everyone learns differently. There ain't one way.