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    Opinion of Blackjack Apprenticeship?

    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    True, but the fact that a person is not good at doing something doesnt necessarily mean he is not good at teaching it.
    Yes one can certainly suck at both. But those who are good at doing it, should keep doing it, especially when one is able to make lots of money at it.

    Edit: I re-read what you wrote. I agree with you on some level. But I think AP is a skill that need to be practiced. If one cannot do it to begin with, I don’t necessarily trust you at teaching it.
    Do you want a surgeon practice every day or a surgeon that writes textbooks to operate on you?
    Do you want a carpenter who puts up nice YouTube videos for a nice project, who practiced behind the scene and only present you with the final product?

    It’s not like he’s teaching a test taking skill, like those SAT tutoring from Kaplan. He’s teaching a practical skill.
    Last edited by Hsiaodi; 08-16-2020 at 01:18 PM.

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    By implication, you might feel that no one should coach a sport who actually hasn't practiced that sport. And, while it's true that a great many coaches are, in fact, former athletes, that isn't always the case. I have never executed a long jump or triple jump in my life, but in my area of New York, I am generally considered one of the foremost authorities in coaching those events and have turned out multiple state and even national champions.

    Dog Hand mentioned Ed Thorp. I'll throw in Peter Griffin. He never played the game for more than nickels. But, he remains to this day our greatest teacher at least of the theoretical aspects of the game.

    Bottom line: Yes, someone who has "done it" often can teach in a manner that someone who hasn't done it can't. But, I would challenge the notion that, in order to be an effective teacher of a skill or craft, one needs to have practiced that skill himself/herself.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    By implication, you might feel that no one should coach a sport who actually hasn't practiced that sport. And, while it's true that a great many coaches are, in fact, former athletes, that isn't always the case. I have never executed a long jump or triple jump in my life, but in my area of New York, I am generally considered one of the foremost authorities in coaching those events and have turned out multiple state and even national champions.

    Dog Hand mentioned Ed Thorp. I'll throw in Peter Griffin. He never played the game for more than nickels. But, he remains to this day our greatest teacher at least of the theoretical aspects of the game.

    Bottom line: Yes, someone who has "done it" often can teach in a manner that someone who hasn't done it can't. But, I would challenge the notion that, in order to be an effective teacher of a skill or craft, one needs to have practiced that skill himself/herself.

    Don
    I agree with you here, Don. I know from personal experience that, for example, some of the professors who taught the best in my grad school were pure academics who had little practical firsthand experience. Some people are naturally gifted at conveying information in an easy to understand format, and for all I know Colin and the instructors at BJA are this type of person. There's nothing theoretically wrong with being a teacher who hasn't walked the path they are guiding others on, so long as the teacher acknowledges this and is still able to guide his pupils effectively.

    What I take exception to, however, is the marketing material of BJA, which constantly refers to Colin and crew as "Blackjack experts" who have taken millions off casinos. Maybe it's just a case of caveat emptor and reading the fine print, but when you break down the actual accomplishments of Colin himself and the Church Team to raw data, from what I can see they are not as impressive as portrayed. And again, if the rumors are true that Colin specifically singles out dissenting opinions on his site to maintain a veneer of rosiness, I also find this to be immoral and misleading.

    For me, responsible capitalism requires transparency of information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    I have never executed a long jump or triple jump in my life, but in my area of New York, I am generally considered one of the foremost authorities in coaching those events and have turned out multiple state and even national champions.
    And then there's Don's book LJA3 - Long Jump Attack 3!

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    Overpriced. Enough said!

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    Don,

    Quick consulting dr. google found this


    “Jodi was indoctrinated early in the fundamentals of running and jumping by her father, Don, a former Metropolitan IC sprint champion and record-holder at CCNY who later taught and coached track on the junior high level.”

    I assume you have a daughter name Jodi

    There are some things and skills that do translate when you’re teaching. Just like some physicist who are good at variables, now can build financial models.

    Not mentioning that you were a good runner and record holder at another sport, I think is a little misleading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsiaodi View Post
    Don,

    Quick consulting dr. google found this

    “Jodi was indoctrinated early in the fundamentals of running and jumping by her father, Don, a former Metropolitan IC sprint champion and record-holder at CCNY who later taught and coached track on the junior high level.”

    I assume you have a daughter name Jodi

    There are some things and skills that do translate when you’re teaching. Just like some physicist who are good at variables, now can build financial models.

    Not mentioning that you were a good runner and record holder at another sport, I think is a little misleading.
    https://www.rctfhalloffame.com/jodi-...-salsberg.html

    The fact that I was a sprinter has virtually no carryover to knowledge for coaching the horizontal jumps.

    Don

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    Her professional credentials are impressive. A chip of the old block!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    https://www.rctfhalloffame.com/jodi-...-salsberg.html

    The fact that I was a sprinter has virtually no carryover to knowledge for coaching the horizontal jumps.

    Don
    As a kid, I was an enthusiastic student of the horizontal jump. I was particularly fond of the naked reverse.

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    Again another thread that has gone "off track!"

    The $3,000 price tag is steep but for many it is a small investment in sharpening their skills. The return on investment can be huge. I haven't done the bootcamp. I would do it if my current situation was different. I regret not doing it years ago when I had the funds and the time. I wonder where I would be today?

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    Halbruno:
    Again another thread that has gone "off track!"

    The $3,000 price tag is steep but for many it is a small investment in sharpening their skills. The return on investment can be huge.
    LOL... Again another thread that has gone "off track!"
    You're damn right!

    With $3000 you can buy all the good BJ books and softwares (CVData not to mention) in existence and learn by yourself. You will learn a lot more and have many texts to refer to, datas, etc.
    I will tell you the big secret: If you can't make it by yourself, YOU WON'T MAKE IT ANYWAY! No matter who's teaching you.

    If like many aspiring counters (unfortunately) you have to start with $5000 or $10000 as a bankroll, with today's game and using a "pro approach" with RoR (less than 1%) you'll need anything between 100 to 200 hours of play to have your EV cover the price of the camp and I'm not talking about expenses here. This is for many more than a year of part time play only to get even.

    Now maybe you can tell me that simply starting with $100 000 as a bankroll will get it done....
    1- If you have never played BJ, starting with $100 000 will mostly end up in a disaster.
    2- If you have played long enough to gain the necessary experience to manage a $100K bankroll, you don't need the camp.

    The big money maker is Colin. Period.
    With the money he started with and the money he made, he was on the right side of the curve from the first hand.
    Aren't you tired of reading funny stories about players who started with $1000 and grown it to 6 figures? It's not those who succeed that are interesting to see, it's the thousands who failed.
    Are you impressed by the last lottery millionaire cause he only started with $1 and make it to 7 figures?
    He too was on the right side of the curve....
    G Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    With $3000 you can buy all the good BJ books and softwares (CVData not to mention) in existence and learn by yourself. You will learn a lot more and have many texts to refer to, datas, etc.
    I will tell you the big secret: If you can't make it by yourself, YOU WON'T MAKE IT ANYWAY! No matter who's teaching you.
    +1

    I've met several BJA bootcamp "graduates" and to Colin's credit, they all seem knowledgeable, understanding N0, risk, etc. However, if someone doesn't have the motivation and/or ability to learn on their own, I doubt they will be a long-term success in this biz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post

    I will tell you the big secret: [B]If you can't make it by yourself, YOU WON'T MAKE IT ANYWAY! No matter who's teaching you.

    Now maybe you can tell me that simply starting with $100 000 as a bankroll will get it done....
    1- If you have never played BJ, starting with $100 000 will mostly end up in a disaster.
    2- If you have played long enough to gain the necessary experience to manage a $100K bankroll, you don't need the camp.
    There will be some success stories evolving from the Colin camp. However, I have to agree with G Man. A person dedicated to the craft teaching themselves basic, counting, index play (starting with I18) money management will evolve into the stronger seasoned player. Most of the Colin debutantes, as in many fields of endeavour, will fail.

    His comment “starting with a 100k bankroll” will not get it done. That individual still hasn’t learned from the school of hard knocks and will likely tilt at some point and blow it. His point 1 is the correct result in most cases. His point 2, as far as I’m concerned, will always be correct.

    In my birthing days, after screwing around For several months, with no concept of money management, I started my dedicated bankroll with $600 that someone had owed and paid me back. I supplemented that with $150 or $250 a few months later. I’ve made that back many hundreds of times over.

    I could have just as easily assigned 100k as BJ bankroll, but at that point in time, I was “not immune” to the swings, and would have likely exposed that money to a higher level of risk than I would have been comfortable with. Also, my wife would have been upset as that would have been a degree of gambling. Further, I’m conservative by nature and would prefer to observe before putting serious money at risk. Now, the ability is known and swings are no big deal to her. Of course, those swings are reduced by the regaled FBM ASC Advanced CC system.

    Having commented, I’m observing a graduate of Colins system who seems to have at long term chance of success.

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