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Thread: Losing the Count - Confusing Dealer's Up Card with Down Card

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    My locale is primarily NHC (not ENHC). Most stores have a procedure that is not necessarily standard across all stores. I’ve also noted many times that individual dealers do not necessarily follow store protocol. I always watch a new dealer specifically to follow what they are doing in this regard,
    NHC means no hole card but OBO (only original bets lost in case of a dealer natural), because you play in Canada, I guess?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkChip View Post
    NHC means no hole card but OBO (only original bets lost in case of a dealer natural), because you play in Canada, I guess?
    Canadian, yes. NHC is OBO. There is, or at leased used to be, a limited amount of ENHC, which loses everything on dealer BJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkChip View Post
    After dealing the first card to the players, does the dealer

    1.) draw his first card (upcard) face up immediately, and after dealing the second card to the players draw his own second card (hole card) face down and beneath the upcard, or

    2.) draw his upcard face down initially, and only later (after dealing the second card to the players) turns up his upcard using the (face down) hole card?
    I've seen it done both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Canadian, yes. NHC is OBO. There is, or at leased used to be, a limited amount of ENHC, which loses everything on dealer BJ.
    Yes, I know this bad rule from Europe, often combined with double on 9, 10, 11 only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkChip View Post
    Yes, I know this bad rule from Europe, often combined with double on 9, 10, 11 only.
    Putrid.
    If you must play, incorporate FBM ASC Advanced into your play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Zee
    Thank you for the referral.
    Subtlety is key when using the FBM ASC. Of course, ASC efficiency can be increased when wearing shorts, boxer shorts and of course, pocket holes. As most men dress left, it is customary to commence with the left hand and systemically place one finger per ace displayed on the left nut. The process is repeated twice to account for the first 10 aces displayed.

    Upon display of the 10th ace, the left hand is withdrawn and replaced with the right, simply repeating the prior noted procedure

    Now, a deft and exciting opportunity is now available. Eye hand coordination is paramount. As the left hand is being removed, the index finger is held firmly at that point where the leg meets the torso. As the finger moves across the point described, ball sweat permeates the epidermal layer of the index finger and is then subtly moved under the nose. The ball scent generated stimulates arterial blood flow thus acting as a stimulus to the neural pathways resulting in much increased decision making speed.

    Of course, initial hand choice may be altered to suit the practitioner and to account for factors. I trust this will serve as an initial introduction to the regaled FBM ASC.
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    There were a couple of times, the count got extremely high and the player started jerking and groaning. Turns out, his girl friend was also using the same equipment to count...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    I've seen it done both ways.
    Since I have not yet been in a US casino, I only have some hints from footage in movies or youtube. In the movie "21", which I have on DVD, I saw procedure 2.), but of course I don't want to rely on some Hollywood movies or on YT, where many details are exaggerated and/or not accurate for dramatical reasons. When exercising with physical cards, I mostly use version 1.) because it is simpler for me to execute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkChip View Post
    Since I have not yet been in a US casino, I only have some hints from footage in movies or youtube. In the movie "21", which I have on DVD, I saw procedure 2.), but of course I don't want to rely on some Hollywood movies or on YT, where many details are exaggerated and/or not accurate for dramatical reasons. When exercising with physical cards, I mostly use version 1.) because it is simpler for me to execute.
    Procedurally wise, it is best to keep the first dealers card face down and then to flip it up on top of the second one as it is slid out of the shoe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    There were a couple of times, the count got extremely high and the player started jerking and groaning. Turns out, his girl friend was also using the same equipment to count...
    Sharing equipment is not necessary, thanks to FBM Accessories Corp - TSX FBMA. Now available - inflatable balls - available as a set in a myriad of colours. Of course, each set carefully produced to display slightly different spherical shapes to more closely resemble the gentleman who dresses left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    There were a couple of times, the count got extremely high and the player started jerking and groaning. Turns out, his girl friend was also using the same equipment to count...
    I’m curious - did said girlfriend manage to increase decision making speed through stimulus of the neural pathways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    I’m curious - did said girlfriend manage to increase decision making speed through stimulus of the neural pathways.
    First time, yes...but the next shoe was similar and this time decision making too long..

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    If the dealer is inconsistent in which card (s)he's turning up, it could be a sign of cheating. It also could be an inexperienced or poorly trained dealer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    If the dealer is inconsistent in which card (s)he's turning up, it could be a sign of cheating. It also could be an inexperienced or poorly trained dealer.
    Yes, I recently read Ken Uston's Million Dollar Blackjack, which mentioned some hints for cheating (e.g. dealing seconds or collusion), and also some potentially exploitable dealer behaviour.

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