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    Does online casino detect card counters?

    After surviving wagering requirements with positive profit, gross and net of bonus with some card counting skill.
    I would like to know whether online casinos detect card counters or not.

    The gain from card counting is less because the penetration is mostly slightly above 50% in most shoes. The highest bet spread I have ever used is only 4 (i.e. no chance to go to higher bet spread).
    Another reason is the business model. The dealers are from third party software provider (i.e. Evolution gaming, Playtech, NetEnt) and not the casinos themselves. From what I know so far, the software providers earn fixed cost for their services and variable costs depending on the amount of total bets, not the outcomes. Therefore, the service providers do not share any losses due to card counting (the casinos hosting their services do) which means the service providers may not want to put huge efforts in investigating playing behaviours of blackjack players. It is rare for the casinos themselves to observe individual plays as there are plenty of players and they do not watch the tables during the plays of players. I even saw a few dealers teaching basic strategy at the table and congratulate players for nice hit on 15-16. Unlike brick-and-mortar casinos, the dealers belong to the casinos themselves and the pit bosses observe how people play almost all the time.

    Is there a chance of getting caught in online casinos?
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    In my opinion, online casinos is the test to determine whether you are an addict or an AP!

    Covid-19 and casino closings....the ones who simply stayed home, practiced and pondered their AP career and related stuff, read books, archives etc., were not addicts.

    Those that found online casinos calling them discovered they were in denial, they were addicts not AP’s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    In my opinion, online casinos is the test to determine whether you are an addict or an AP!

    Covid-19 and casino closings....the ones who simply stayed home, practiced and pondered their AP career and related stuff, read books, archives etc., were not addicts.

    Those that found online casinos calling them discovered they were in denial, they were addicts not AP’s.

    Not necessarily. There are things called bonuses that can be used to hedge positively. So don't write off online blackjack so quickly. Sure the positive expectation is small but the concept works and years ago I made a couple of grand in a weekend using bonuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ummagumma View Post
    Not necessarily. There are things called bonuses that can be used to hedge positively. So don't write off online blackjack so quickly. Sure the positive expectation is small but the concept works and years ago I made a couple of grand in a weekend using bonuses.
    I extracted bonuses from two sites in the last two months. Most casinos prefer that the wagers go to slots (with higher house edge) so that the expected loss exceeds the bonus. As a result, they implement "game contribution" system to limit the contribution from live casino games which have lower house edge towards wagering requirement in order to increase expected loss. I still exploited two online casinos with lower expected loss compared to bonus and wagering requirements. However, I practice card counting as well to further reduce house edge and avoid sitting in mildly negative counts. Many occasions I chatted with the dealer a lot and pretended to skip some bets in moderately negative count (TC<-1) with the excuse of "talking too much to the dealer and forgetting to place the bet". If the count still heads more negative I sometimes leave immediately, pretending that the connection is not stable (which sometimes it actually is to many players). In online casinos wonging in and out is much easier than brick-and-mortar because as what I think, the game providers are not the casinos themselves and are not responsible to pay off players' winnings as they do not directly benefit from players' losses.

    I would like to ask if this business model is really true for online casinos and that the game providers do not care players count cards or not because they do not share the losses. This means card counting does not require much cover? Is this true?

    Now I have finished all bonuses, withdrawed all money and want to take a break before searching for the next offer. I stick with this and do not play for gambling and expose myself directly to the house edge.

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    Colin Jones did a youtube video where he answered the question can you male money counting cards in online casinos. If I remembering correctly he basically said with terrible penetration and mediocre rules at best you could expect to make ~10$/hr but would need a 200,000$ bankroll. Now that isnt factoring in bonuses but it sounds like they wouldnt increase that EV too drastically. I'm sure during the market crash investing that 200k in the market would have a much better return than online casino counting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatian View Post
    Colin Jones did a youtube video where he answered the question can you male money counting cards in online casinos. If I remembering correctly he basically said with terrible penetration and mediocre rules at best you could expect to make ~10$/hr but would need a 200,000$ bankroll. Now that isnt factoring in bonuses but it sounds like they wouldnt increase that EV too drastically. I'm sure during the market crash investing that 200k in the market would have a much better return than online casino counting.

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    Depends how good an investor you are ofcourse. As many people lost money during the crash as made money, probably more. And your investment concept is probably true/untrue for both online and bricks and mortar blackjack. No doubt one of the reasons Ed Thorpe got into options after his blackjack heroics

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