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Thread: BJA 3....I'm sick thinking of all the mistakes I made!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Someone with knowledge and practical experience, or someone who read the book thoroughly but with very little playing time?
    In regards to the above sentence I should have made reference to Blackjack Attack 3rd Edition instead of just saying the book, as the intent was meant as a real compliment to Don's work, which I would described as comprehensive. Explained further, great established players after playing the game for years are still surprised to find valuable pieces of information that they have missed, or not completely grasped correctly after reading the book numerous times. Subsequently if you want to wait until the time that you are confident in all aspects of Don's work before beginning to play the game, when you do arrive to play at a casino for the first time people will be saying that you look like Rip Van Winkle with that long beard and very sharp axe in your hand.
    Last edited by BoSox; 05-21-2020 at 10:42 AM.

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    That was funny Bosox! If I ever grew a beard especially one that long....then I would be going to the doctors not a casino. Woman don't usually grow beards.

    As far as BJA3 and waiting to read the book or not waiting to read the book, all I said was I wish I had read it before really starting my "career" last year. I didn't say I had no previous experience in casinos, nor did I say anyone should read every BJ book before playing the game. In my opinion everyone has their own way of learning and reading has always been a huge part of my life, especially when it concerns learning. I thought I made a simple statement that would be understood.

    ZeeBabar, I can see from multiple other threads, that you have been in serious discussions with multiple people about you learning or not learning, from what people on the forums have tried teaching you, also you wrote about meeting an AP and being able to learn more from him because everyone learns differently. People also learn at different paces obviously.

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    My point is that in general, studying and gaining experience simultaneously is better than studying. In my case, I simply did not have the motivation to put in the time for serious study....just learned from forums, archives and books Without ever using software, sims, practice, etc. So, the learning has been slow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    My point is that in general, studying and gaining experience simultaneously is better than studying. In my case, I simply did not have the motivation to put in the time for serious study....just learned from forums, archives and books Without ever using software, sims, practice, etc. So, the learning has been slow.
    Bottom line: Some people read the manual before tinkering. Others learn by tinkering. Personally, my entire life, I've read the manual! YMMV.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    “I should have read before I played this game” is like saying I should have completed my PH’d before going to work. Most people work as they study/learn and complete there studies.
    Or maybe like flying a plane without a pilot's license???

    Another piece of bad advice.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooking with cards View Post
    As far as BJA3 and waiting to read the book or not waiting to read the book, all I said was I wish I had read it before really starting my "career" last year. I didn't say I had no previous experience in casinos, nor did I say anyone should read every BJ book before playing the game.
    In post#1 you wrote:

    "I started playing at the end of last year and I don't even want to know how much I could've lost if it weren't for positive variance."

    Cooking with cards, I am glad that you started out playing with some positive variance but in reality the amount of actual playing time experience that you have is still from a beginners perspective, meaning, current results up to this point are meaningless regarding a true case study.

    One point that I would like to get across is that I believe there is at LEAST as much education needed for the player to learn in the casino itself as there is from learning from books that cannot nearly cover all the real time situations that present themselves where the player's fate of continued play may depend on a previous experience learned from an education that never ends.

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    I still don't understand your problem with my post. I didn't agree with ZeeBabars statement to my post, (I still don't) and it seems like I'm not the only one in this thread to disagree with him. I agreed with you that experience in a casino is important. I also believe that reading BJA3, before playing seriously, would make me a better all around and more prepared player? Would you want someone flying a plane with you in it, if that person doesn't have a pilots license? How about getting surgery from someone just starting medical school? I don't think so!

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    Can it be??? I think I agree with ZeeBabar. I have been in isolation too long....this is the last straw....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooking with cards View Post
    I agreed with you that experience in a casino is important. I also believe that reading BJA3, before playing seriously, would make me a better all around and more prepared player?
    I am not arguing with you, however I believe in order to hopefully make it all work you need to have both the knowledge of the book and the practical casino experience. You can not shortchange either one, it takes a long time to acquire both. If you don't have both capabilities down real good you often end up having problems down the road. Don's response to all of this was:

    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Bottom line: Some people read the manual before tinkering. Others learn by tinkering. Personally, my entire life, I've read the manual! YMMV.
    I agree with Don because knowing the knowledge of the book is where you begin as a starting point, and you have to start somewhere to as yet acquire some of that needed practical casino experience. Don knows the importance of having all requirements so does he say you got the green light to go gung ho right off the bat after learning the book? No, he uses the word tinkering. In today's casinos environment you need both requirements.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cooking with cards View Post
    Would you want someone flying a plane with you in it, if that person doesn't have a pilots license?
    That is a bad comparison as it is against the law. In order to become a licensed pilot that person also needs numerous hours of flight training.
    Last edited by BoSox; 05-22-2020 at 04:39 AM.

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    Maybe I misunderstood what Don meant, I see it as
    some people learn by reading the manual, (some learn more by reading the book first) and some learn from tinkering (some learn more from experience)....he also says he is the type to read the manual. Don please tell me if I'm wrong?

    I still don't know what I said, that makes you think I don't believe experience matters, I've said multiple times that I know it's important. I have been playing in casinos....not as many years as a lot of people here, but I'm not new to BJ, or card games in general. I am new to the forum, maybe I should just read and not post? I guess I still don't understand what was wrong or argumentative about my op. It wasn't meant to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooking with cards View Post
    Maybe I misunderstood what Don meant, I see it as
    some people learn by reading the manual, (some learn more by reading the book first) and some learn from tinkering (some learn more from experience)....he also says he is the type to read the manual. Don please tell me if I'm wrong?
    Perfectly correct. And there was nothing wrong with your original post. You will quickly learn here that if you say the sky is blue, you will get 20 different responses, of which 10 will tell you how stupid you are. The thread will wind up with 50 posts, and the last one will be what the weather is in whatever state the poster lives. Such is the unfortunate nature of this forum, where many people's attention spans are, in general, those of a five-year-old.

    As for the tinkering, towards the end of my career at Morgan Stanley, I was in charge of worldwide derivatives education and training. One of our programs was to have a technology training room where employees would go to get trained on the latest technology applications that had been developed by our IT group, and I was the trainer. We had a dozen computers set up and then one for demonstration from the instructor. Before each group came in, I would meticulously set up all the attendee screens to exactly where I wanted them to be to begin the lesson. That is, the app was loaded on the screen, ready to be demoed by me. INVARIABLY, and no matter how many times I asked people to keep their hands OFF of the keyboards until I began, at least five people would tinker, hit something that blew up the app, and would require me to walk over to their machine to reset everything.

    This happened time after time, day after day. Some people are simply incapable of being taught. They NEED to tinker and to find things out for themselves. I have just never been like that in my life. If someone knows more about a topic than I do, I am delighted to learn from him/her before I make a jackass of myself. Just me.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    and the last one will be what the weather is in whatever state the poster lives.
    Only if that state is Michigan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Bottom line: Some people read the manual before tinkering.
    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    I agree with Don because knowing the knowledge of the book is where you begin as a starting point,
    Yes I see my gaff regarding tinkering in your above quote. Now Don that still leaves me with a question, what do you recommend for someone who just purchased and read your book, and learned a counting system, are they ready to go, just like that?
    Last edited by BoSox; 05-22-2020 at 04:13 PM.

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