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    BJ question

    DD game, 75% pen, playing heads up, last round to be dealt, TC+8. Ace rich, only 1 Ace has been played. You play 2 hands, You get 20 on each hand, dealer shows 10 but no BJ.

    1. Do you split 10’s (hoping you would get Ace) or you just stay.....

    2. Would you split your 10’s If dealer had a 7-10 up card?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    DD game, 75% pen, playing heads up, last round to be dealt, TC+8. Ace rich, only 1 Ace has been played. You play 2 hands, You get 20 on each hand, dealer shows 10 but no BJ.

    1. Do you split 10’s (hoping you would get Ace) or you just stay.....

    2. Would you split your 10’s If dealer had a 7-10 up card?
    Assuming heads up

    1. So, let’s say exactly 27 cards left with 1 card to cut card, at true 8 before dealing, which means RC of 4, which is now RC of -1, equating to poorer than True -2 after your 2-20’s and dealer 10 up card with 21 cards remaining (dealer hole card unknown). Who cares if it’s ace rich - stand.

    2. You mean dealer 7-9 up card. Much the same commentary as above - who cares if it’s ace rich, stand.

    Zee, reason out your questions before you ask them. It will assist you in reducing your fan base.

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    Zee, where did you pull this question out of the woods from? No, I wouldn't split this against a dealer 10. No way. I decided to look this up in Professional Blackjack and the index is so high Wong doesn't even list one. By the way, the index for splitting against a 7 is +13 and against an 8 is +20.

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    Okay, spur of the moment posting. I apologize. I thought that with a 20, if dealer also has 20, it’s a push but getting an Ace might mean you beat the dealer.

    i was a bit surprised that You would split on a 6 but not a 7 given the high count. So few cards left and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Zee, reason out your questions before you ask them. It will assist you in reducing your fan base.
    Are you sure it won't assist him in increasing his fan base; i.e., in NOT reducing his fan base? Or, are you implying by "fan," a non-traditional meaning of people who actually abuse him?

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Are you sure it won't assist him in increasing his fan base; i.e., in NOT reducing his fan base? Or, are you implying by "fan," a non-traditional meaning of people who actually abuse him?

    Don
    The latter, just as I have my my loyal resolute fans - most of whom don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground.

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    Thread going in a nice tangent...keep on keeping on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Thread going in a nice tangent...keep on keeping on...
    Did you expect a long discussion of your (somewhat ridiculous) original question?

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Did you expect a long discussion of your (somewhat ridiculous) original question?

    Don
    Although ridiculous, modifying the parameters of his question could lead to some meaningful discussion along the same lines. So, on Zees behalf, I present the following:

    Dear Dr. Freightman
    1. I’ve observed the odd ploppy doubling 10v10. More often than not, the results are somewhat below Expectation - yet, I’ve noted some of the better players getting remarkably lucky when they do so with a large bet out. Do you have any thoughts on the matter?
    2. Does your approach differ if the remaining deck(s) are ace rich?

    Zee The Casino Destroyer

    Dear Zee TCD
    When executed properly, no play adds value faster than doubling 10v10 (except possibly splitting 10’s). EV animals will execute this play at true 4. General literature on the subject typically ignores risk averse approach or the question of ace density.

    Your advanced shearer of casino coffers will take a risk averse approach to the play. He/she will typically wait until true 7 before attempting this play. Waiting until true 7 captures a far higher percentage of the Expected Value. This approach allows a higher max bet or simply utilize a lower max bet - the benefit being reduced variance.

    The play is also ace sensitive and thus, those practitioners of the regaled FBM ASC or some other ace side count are able to execute a bigger range on the play. Dr. Freightman gets a tingle in his loins when 10 v 10 at high counts are present. Heart rate increases when said ace density is surplus in addition to high count. Perspiration with increased blood pressure adds to the mounting excitement when further analysis (previously undisclosed though suggested) discloses a high quality of true count. Mental orgasm is achieved when presented with an ace after doubling.

    Ace sensitivity is also important on other plays, such as 99v7. EV max on this play is +3, though Dr. Freightman waits until 5 or 6. Learning FBM ASC or some other side count has many high dollar benefits. Consider an ace rich or poor at index or above when considering insurance.

    I would welcome others to express their thoughts and opinions in this interesting topic.

    Dr. Freightman

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    ZeeBabar, I do not know about what you are going to do, but I am learning the FBM ASC for sure.

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    Hey I like Zeebar....It teaches me how not to think...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CEO1 View Post
    Hey I like Zeebar....It teaches me how not to think...
    Now that is funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by CEO1 View Post
    Hey I like Zeebar....It teaches me how not to think...
    Glad I could teach you something.

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