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    BJ related advice..

    A forum member is making himself available as a BJ Tournament tutor. He has posted elsewhere seeking “students” at $25 an hour. I had expressed my doubts about him, his qualifications (he has won 2-3 tournaments and some money) and below are some of his responses.

    To my doubts about his qualifications, he responded

    Sure thing! Just for you, since you apparently think I'm bullshitting:


    https://www.blackjacktournaments.com...emaster.14103/


    That was when I won in December, 2019 and this one is when I got 2nd just 2 months later:


    https://www.blackjacktournaments.com...-2-20-jpg.859/


    Still think I'm bullshitting? Or are those 2 pics enough proof?


    Few years back, I also won $15k @ Beau Rivage then got busy with my career until I started playing in tournaments again in the quarter 4 of 2019 & winning another major tournament in Dec. If the $15k B.R. one I was successful at was the only one I won sure you can call it a fluke, but to follow it up with 2 Top 2 finishes in a span of 3 tournaments is a lil bit more than just a "fluke" dont ya think?


    My questions, how much does card counting and hi-lo work in BJ tournaments? What resources are available? How do you assess a BJ Tournament tutor charging $25 an hour?

    Responses appreciated. I have his permission to ask.

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    BJ Tourney is a whole different animal. Much like the difference between Limit/No-Limit Hold'em, or even ring vs tourney poker. Same game, just different strategies for each.

    I think Wong has a book out on the theory of tourney BJ: https://www.amazon.com/Stanford-Wong...00_abau_000000

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    My questions, how much does card counting and hi-lo work in BJ tournaments?

    It does not.


    What resources are available?
    Several books. The gold standard is Stanford book on casino tournament. Ken smith has 2 e books that are also good.

    How do you assess a BJ Tournament tutor charging $25 an hour?
    The variance in BJ is so enormously high because much is determined by the player's given hand. Unlike other tournaments, like craps), in which the dice roll will affect all players at the same time. Skill plays more factors in the later tournaments (craps and baccarat) than in BJ. Skill can still improve your chances but it is very difficult to determine with certainty how good a player is because it will require a large sample size.
    So, winning 2 or 3 tournaments do not provide real information about the skill of the tutor. The win rate for playing tournament is likely to be low as most tournaments are invitational. If you play big in another game for fun, then you get invited to a lot of tournaments. Reading one or 2 books is probably all you need and should cost you only few dollars.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Banker View Post
    My questions, how much does card counting and hi-lo work in BJ tournaments?

    It does not.


    What resources are available?
    Several books. The gold standard is Stanford book on casino tournament. Ken smith has 2 e books that are also good.

    How do you assess a BJ Tournament tutor charging $25 an hour?
    The variance in BJ is so enormously high because much is determined by the player's given hand. Unlike other tournaments, like craps), in which the dice roll will affect all players at the same time. Skill plays more factors in the later tournaments (craps and baccarat) than in BJ. Skill can still improve your chances but it is very difficult to determine with certainty how good a player is because it will require a large sample size.
    So, winning 2 or 3 tournaments do not provide real information about the skill of the tutor. The win rate for playing tournament is likely to be low as most tournaments are invitational. If you play big in another game for fun, then you get invited to a lot of tournaments. Reading one or 2 books is probably all you need and should cost you only few dollars.


    Not all tournaments are invitational though... that's what you're not understanding. Also, what the hell is a meager $25 to turn that into a 600x profit by doing what the above guy did? Seems like an awesome deal to me. ^_~

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    Tournaments can be lucrative, if you can find a way to play a lot of them. Repetition is important due to the high variance. If you get invited as a result of your normal play, then there's no downside. Go ahead, play the events, have fun and experience a completely different way to play your favorite games. However, if there is a coast to entering, then you need to learn how to calculate the EV of a tournament before deciding to do or pay what it takes to gain entry.

    Counting is useless due to the short duration of the sessions.

    In all table games tournaments, (blackjack, baccarat, craps, roulette (yes, I said roulette!), carnival games) strategic betting strategy is where your edge comes from. In games where you make playing decisions then, to a lesser but still significant extent, strategic playing deviations are important.

    Basically you need to learn to think about the properties of each game which allow you to leverage your position against the other players instead of focusing on beating the house.

    You can learn all you need to know for very little cost from the 3 books mentioned above and from reading the materials and joining the forum at blackjacktournaments.com.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronbog View Post
    Tournaments can be lucrative, if you can find a way to play a lot of them. Repetition is important due to the high variance. If you get invited as a result of your normal play, then there's no downside. Go ahead, play the events, have fun and experience a completely different way to play your favorite games. However, if there is a coast to entering, then you need to learn how to calculate the EV of a tournament before deciding to do or pay what it takes to gain entry.

    Counting is useless due to the short duration of the sessions.

    In all table games tournaments, (blackjack, baccarat, craps, roulette (yes, I said roulette!), carnival games) strategic betting strategy is where your edge comes from. In games where you make playing decisions then, to a lesser but still significant extent, strategic playing deviations are important.

    Basically you need to learn to think about the properties of each game which allow you to leverage your position against the other players instead of focusing on beating the house.

    You can learn all you need to know for very little cost from the 3 books mentioned above and from reading the materials and joining the forum at blackjacktournaments.com.
    You didn't talk about slot tournaments -- the most completely MINDLESS exercise in the history of gaming!! High-level strategy: limber up your fingers and learn to press the button as fast as you can.

    Don

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    Truly mindless, but they sometimes are free or have an overlay (i.e. pay enough to profit by random chance). I have made some decent money playing these when it made sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronbog View Post

    You can learn all you need to know for very little cost from the 3 books mentioned above and from reading the materials and joining the forum at blackjacktournaments.com.
    Or if you want LIVE 1-1 instruction for a very low cost of $25/hr, you can contact me! You can also go to YouTube and watch the mindless videos that are more general than the color of my car.... Already have 5 students and they seem very happy! Be the next success story? today.

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    IMHO the buy-in for this event is more than justified. $100 entry for a chance to win $15K first? and sometimes $20k & $25k? That's a 150-250x GAIN and absolute no brainer for me! I won this event in only my 3rd time playing it, and got finished 2nd in Feb. 2019, just 2 months after I won 1st. $20K already in winnings and I've only participated in this event a handful of times! Also won $15K at Beau Rivage few years back as well...... that's why I'm offering the very meager cost of $25/hr for Blackjack Tournament consultations if anyone is interested. Proof of my winnings is in the 1st post above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatian View Post
    I've seen a lot of blackjack tournaments in Biloxi. A lot of them charge 100$ buy-ins with an opportunity for a 100$ rebuyin as well. The winner payout is only 30,000$ usually. Is the rake too high and are there methods to determine if a particular rake is too high?
    The value of a tournament considering pure luck alone is the total purse divided by the number of entrants. You then adjust that according to your estimate of your relative skill level compared to the rest of the field. That is an adjustment that can only be made with experience and will always be a very rough estimate. You then need to consider the entry fee and other expenses.

    A reasonably skilled player can find value in a $30k event with a $100 entry fee.

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