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    How do I make my 1st million via AP and Casino +EV Game sharing

    Long story short, I started with BJ counting but failed. I made my 1st million through teamwork in physical casinos and online Casinos OUTSIDE the US. Those who are interested in the details can read my extended story below. I have lived in the US for many years and started my AP career in 2014. I am currently live in Las Vegas.

    I am an Asian, now I am going to move back to Asia very soon. Since I am leaving the US, I would like to share my hundreds of +EV games information with others and also build some connection in the US AP community during my last days in the U.S. Please contact my Gmail: [email protected] if you are interested.

    Here are two very good BJ locations in WI/MI not on CBJN

    Mole Lake Casino at WI.

    I visited it a few years ago and surprisingly it never on CBJN even now. They have DD BJ up to $250 and they do not really care if you vary your bet. We had a great session jumping from $10 to 2x$250 for 2 hours and win a couple thousands. Also, they have a promotion if you spend $ to stay they will give you same amount of $ to play at slot (even on VP).

    Northern Waters at MI

    They have the easiest DD BJ for shuffle tracking. Easily made a few thousands within 2 days and they never understand what we did.

    A good Ace-tracing location

    Mount Airy Casino. $5000 Max in High limit. A three of us small Ace teaming won over ~$20,000 there within 3 days. Also if you deposit over $50,000 front money, they give you 5-10% betting vouch (need to talk to a host). We left because it became too hot but was able to withdraw our front money without any issue

    Bad Beat Baccarat Side Bet

    I also shared a Bac sidebet +EV game in another post. Palms, Palace Station, Red Rock, Stratosphere (not anymore), Green Valley, Tropicana, Sunset Station, Boulder Station in Vegas has this game. The max for different Casino vary from $50-$200. For Casinos outside Vegas and counting system please refer to my other post. (You might need to subscribe to read it).

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...-a-200-ev-game

    A human doable counting system gives out almost 2 units (200% +EV) won per shoe. A team of 4 with $100 a bet can make $800 per shoe (1-2 hours).

    rules are here
    https://wizardofodds.com/games/bacca...beat-baccarat/


    Extended Version

    Hi everybody, I am new to this forum but not new to the AP world. I started my AP career back in 2014 from a small town in Mid-west. The driving time to the nearest Casino is an hour (now still). And their BJ rules were sucks! Apparently, I did not make money from counting BJ.

    Later, I started to learn other skills from Eliot's book/Apheat and Michael's site including counting sidebet of BJ and other games, edge-sorting, hole-carding, collusion (among players), loss rebate and etc. I am an Asian, so I have lots of contacts in the Asian AP community. I also learned shuffle tracking, Ace-tracing, wheel clocking, a few slot tricks, and CSM next card hearing, etc from them.

    Though I learned a lot, I am actually not a good AP player in Physical Casinos. Subtracting the expense, I did not make good money on most of my sole trips. The best game I played was a Paigow hole-carding game. This is truly the Holy Grail game for a starter. The variance is so low and EV is high. I think its DI can beat any +EV table games ever existed. I have a much more advanced strategy than APheat’s one. I can play ~50% hand compare to APheat’s 10%. By using varied betting, I can get an averagely ~16.4% EV on each betting. And the Bankroll for 5% ROR (lose all before double) is less than 7 big bets!! I play by myself, being both the spotter and BP. Well, even with such a dreamy game, I barely earned ~$20,000 during a year (well, not every time I went I can play, who do hole-carding should understand. I usually got a good session averagely once a month. But as long as I got a good session, not even a single time I left without winning). And surely this amount cannot cover my living expenses for a whole year.

    After this short period of sole playing, I started to attend and then organize teams. I feel I am much more comfortable to work together with others than fight solely. I have partnered with BJtraveller and other you-do-not-know-names Asian APs (though lots of them made multi million from AP) for a few teams. I cooperated with my friend to crack dozens of new games. For example, we calculated the strategy of the Paigow HC game ourselves. Tbh, if we wanted to, we can write a book as thick as Eliot’s book. We just do not have time. In 2017, I joined and invested in John Chang’s new loss rebate team in Vegas. We ended up raising a 4 million bankroll and I have around 8% share. Sadly we did not make money at that team. (John’s old L.R. team made about 20 million within 2 years).

    During 2016-2019, I organized and partnered over 20 teams in the US and around the world. (We usually form one team for each loophole, the members and investors change). Include blackjack, table poker game basic strategy +EV, loss rebate, a few different Bac side bets, trackings, Bac known card(s) and etc. Some teams made 6 figures profit within a month. Most of my members and partners are Asians. I actually have some fame among Asian APs. Although I lived in the U.S. for many years, I simply have no time to start my connection with U.S. APs. Now I decided to move back to Asia and continue my AP career outside the U.S.

    Well, I did make some money through teamwork but not a ton. In fact, I made my big fortune from online Casino OUTSIDE the US. I personally do not go to play in Physical Casino anymore not because I was 86ed but because I do not like the Casino environment. (I was only 86ed by less than a handful of Casinos). But during these AP adventures, I develop a habit to scout Casinos. I have road-tripped over 40 states of the US. Based on my own traveling, I estimate there are about 750 to 800 Casinos in the U.S. with table games. This number is more accurate than any open/public sources as far as I know. There are about 200 Casinos with table games on my list that are not on CBJN for different reasons (Some never appear). I have been to over 500 of those Casinos. Of course, I scout using every skill I know not only counting.

    I found hundreds of +EV games. I reported the BJ condition part to the CBJN. I started to report to CBJN in 2014. You can see my name “Ping” appears in the reporter section for 6 areas currently. I previously also used other names on the CBJN. Obviously, I cannot utilize all those US loopholes myself not even with my teams. So, I am willing to share those +EV games with other APs in the U.S. I am particularly interested in online casinos and sports betting but open to other communications. There is a multi-billion US$ market for sports betting in Asia.

    Contact me by my Gmail: [email protected] or message me in this site
    (I don‘t know if email can be posted here, if not allowed, GM please remove my email).

    Below is the map of the Casinos on my list

    casino.jpg
    Last edited by Ping; 11-04-2020 at 06:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ping View Post
    Here are two very good BJ locationsin WI/MI not on CBJN

    Mole Lake Casino at WI.

    I visited it a few years ago and surprisingly it never on CBJN even now. They have DD BJ up to $250 and they do not really care if you vary your bet. We had a great session jumping from $10 to 2x$250 for 2 hours and win a couple thousands. Also, they have a promotion if you spend $ to stay they will give you same amount of $ to play at slot (even on VP).

    Northern Waters at MI

    When I visited there, it was not on CBJN. They have the easiest DD BJ for shuffle tracking. Easily made a few thousands within 2 days and they never understand what we did.

    casino.jpg
    Northern Waters Resort has always been listed in CBJN. A few years ago they changed their name from Lac Vieux Desert to Northern Waters, but don't say they aren't in CBJN. They have been listed in CBJN for at least 20 years. Also at times they have changed shuffles between hand shuffles and ASM shufflers. I never thought the shuffle was particularly easy to track. I also heard a few years ago they kicked out a couple of Asians and escorted them out. Any chance this was you. (If this was you please private message me). I also received reports that since covid-19 that Northern Waters dropped their DD game for only 6 deck games.

    Mole Lake was listed in CBJN years ago. I noticed back in Oct 2015 CBJN said "No blackjack." I have played blackjack at Mole Lake many years ago. I have not been there lately.
    Last edited by Midwest Player; 11-03-2020 at 09:51 PM.

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    Very useful information! I am a constant reporter of CBJN since 2014. I checked the old report and you are right. It is on 2016's report. When I was there, they still use hand shuffle. And for the DD, they do not insert the undealt card and do not mix each decks with others. If they dropped dd, what a pity.

    For Mole Lake, I am sure they have BJ. I remember at least 3-4 tables. I do not think ANY casino in US with table games do not have BJ. If there is only one table game in that Casino. It will be BJ. I remember I went to a very small Casino in Felon, NV. They have one table only, which is a 2-25 BJ.

    CBJN is not always correct. As a long time reporter, I am very aware of this. They can have enormous and huge mistakes. Use the Mole Lake as example, it could be some reporter find out they have very sweet game and do not want others to come so he/she report none blackjack

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    I added an ACE-tracking location in my OP.

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    A good Ace-tracing location
    Mount Airy Casino. $5000 Max in High limit. A three of us small Ace teaming won over ~$20,000 there within 3 days. Also if you deposit over $50,000 front money, they give you 5-10% betting vouch (need to talk to a host). We left because it became too hot but was able to withdraw our front money without any issue

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    Ping, why are you disclosing all these opportunities on a free board or on any board at all?
    The result is easy predictable, many AP will converge to some of these games and simply kill them or worse, face a casino with new procedures.
    What's your motivation to give away specific opportunities?
    G Man

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    I have hundreds of this kind of opportunities . I just share a few to prove I am not lying

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    Interesting thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ping View Post
    I have hundreds of this kind of opportunities . I just share a few to prove I am not lying
    You don't have to "prove" anything.
    Just think about the pro who likes and plays any particular game you mention. Put yourself in his shoes when he sees someone giving it to anyone, other APs and casino workers. You're not producing anything good by doing this. You should simply share it with a few players of your entourage or teammates, etc. This is ridiculous.
    G Man

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    That's why I shared the counting system in paid forum. not the free one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ping View Post
    That's why I shared the counting system in paid forum. not the free one
    I'm not talking about a counting system, I'm talking about vulnerable games, casinos, etc.
    Forget about it, it's obvious you don't understand a thing about "keeping games alive".
    G Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    You don't have to "prove" anything.
    Just think about the pro who likes and plays any particular game you mention. Put yourself in his shoes when he sees someone giving it to anyone, other APs and casino workers. You're not producing anything good by doing this. You should simply share it with a few players of your entourage or teammates, etc. This is ridiculous.
    Fine. If you or anyone think I ruined your game or other's game. Just email me. I will give you a few good games in private to compensate you.

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    Not the point. It's ok.
    G Man

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