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    Challenge for another (boring?) day

    Thought you might enjoy a little challenge. On page 20 of The Theory of Blackjack, Griffin writes: "The decision not to double (6,2) v 5 must be the closest in basic strategy blackjack. The undoubled expectation is .130630, while doubling yields .130583."

    Giving the master the benefit of the doubt, perhaps he was referring to single-deck blackjack only, in which case, as always, he would be correct. But, allowing for any (standard) number of decks, any set of (standard) rules, there is a closer play, which, to my knowledge, is the absolutely closest play in the game.

    Do you know what it is? (Note: Griffin's difference, above, is 0.000047 -- 47/10,000 of one percent -- while the play I have in mind is 0.000029.)

    Don

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    My guess is A2vs5,2nd guess 12vs4

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    T2 v 4 in S17 game.

    Edited to add additional rules per Don - 6D, DAS, nRSA, no surr, BJ pays 2:1
    Last edited by 21forme; 03-30-2020 at 11:32 AM.

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    A,2 v 5

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    Won't comment yet on what might be right or wrong above, but would point out that number of decks and rules are needed as well.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by umbrellaman View Post
    a,2 v 5
    8d, s17, das

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    A-2 vs 5 in 8 decks S17. Sorry umbrellaman, DAS has nothing to do with it ... LOL
    G Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    A-2 vs 5 in 8 decks S17. Sorry umbrellaman, DAS has nothing to do with it ... LOL
    You're right. I meant to write DOA but was sleeping.

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    Since we have a couple of correct answers, we'll cut this short: A,2 vs. 5, 8D S17 it is!

    Don

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    Don - I'm looking at App. E in Wong's Prof BJ. 6D H17 dealer shows 5. Hit EV = .138 Double EV = .141
    Are his numbers wrong or does the 8D game vs. 6D game make the difference?

    My choice, T2 v 4, 6D S17, stand EV = -.211, hit EV = -.210

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    21forme, with A-2 vs 5 in 8D S17 we are looking at 0.136331 vs 0.136360 for a difference of 0.000029 while your T-2 vs 4, 6D S17 shows -0.211115 vs -0.210364 for a bigger difference of 0.000751

    BJA3 App. A
    G Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Since we have a couple of correct answers, we'll cut this short: A,2 vs. 5, 8D S17 it is!

    Don
    You should do more of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    21forme, with A-2 vs 5 in 8D S17 we are looking at 0.136331 vs 0.136360 for a difference of 0.000029 while your T-2 vs 4, 6D S17 shows -0.211115 vs -0.210364 for a bigger difference of 0.000751

    BJA3 App. A
    Thanks GMan. Guess I pulled the wrong book off the shelf Didn't remember those charts were in the back of BJA3.

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