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    Hello there,

    I am currently studying the Wong Halves Count and since it has a very high BC, I'd love to have a proper betting scheme for it. However, I am a bit thrown off by the idea he presents in his book, since for Bet X it says:

    X= TotalStake * Advantage (%) * amount from table 86

    e.g. X= 1000$ * 0,02 * 1.28 = 25,6

    The problem for me is that the amounts in table 86 are only Benchmark, Double 10&11, or DAS and I cant seem to find a proper way to find out the amount for the game I am usually playing with my friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simoneggi View Post
    Hello there,

    I am currently studying the Wong Halves Count and since it has a very high BC, I'd love to have a proper betting scheme for it. However, I am a bit thrown off by the idea he presents in his book, since for Bet X it says:

    X= TotalStake * Advantage (%) * amount from table 86

    e.g. X= 1000$ * 0,02 * 1.28 = 25,6

    The problem for me is that the amounts in table 86 are only Benchmark, Double 10&11, or DAS and I cant seem to find a proper way to find out the amount for the game I am usually playing with my friends.
    It is NOT bank times edge TIMES variance. It is bank times edge DIVIDED BY variance!

    To get the answers you want, you need to simulate the game you're playing. Or consult the chapter 10 tables of BJA3. I'm assuming you don't have the book, or you wouldn't be asking the question.

    Don

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    I do not have the book. And sorry that I read the formula wrong? Which program is used to find out that variance?

    EDIT:

    I tried a simulation CVData for how we usually play it and now I have a huge list of variances per hand, hour, etc.
    Do I take an average of the normalized variance per hand of all those listed and use that for the calculations mentioned above?
    Last edited by simoneggi; 03-27-2020 at 10:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simoneggi View Post
    I do not have the book. And sorry that I read the formula wrong? Which program is used to find out that variance?
    Simulation. It is an overall variance for all true counts. But once you put in your own bet ramp, it will change according to the bet sizes.

    Quote Originally Posted by simoneggi View Post
    I tried a simulation CVData for how we usually play it and now I have a huge list of variances per hand, hour, etc.
    Do I take an average of the normalized variance per hand of all those listed and use that for the calculations mentioned above?
    No. You use the bank times the edge divided by the variance for each line separately. But that works only for all the intermediate bets, other than the lowest and the highest. There is a complicated formula for calculating what those should be when your bets are constrained, as they almost always are.

    CVCX will do it all for you. And, of course, again, it's all in chapter 10 of BJA3.

    Don

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    Honestly, I am really overwhelmed by all the different materials and stuff.
    The rules we use is 4 decks, DAS, No Insurance nor Surrender, S17, deal until only like 3-7 cards are left.
    And the TC is based on Wong Halves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simoneggi View Post
    I do not have the book.
    WHAT! Unforgivable, simply reprehensible, you need to rectify that while the casinos are closed.

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    Sorry simoneggi, for my first response. What I should have stated is that Don Schlesinger's third book Blackjack Attack Playing the Pros' Way is really the best Blackjack book out there in the market period, a must-have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simoneggi View Post
    Honestly, I am really overwhelmed by all the different materials and stuff.
    The rules we use is 4 decks, DAS, No Insurance nor Surrender, S17, deal until only like 3-7 cards are left.
    And the TC is based on Wong Halves.
    Weird. No insurance is extremely odd, and yet, dealing to 3-7 cards left makes it the best BJ game on the face of the earth! :-)

    Don

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