Correcting dealer errors

[UNCBear4SJ]

Sometimes a dealer pays you off (as well as others) and then, as he/she is collecting the cards, she realizes that a player had been mis-paid. She calls the pit. Do you demand evidence she mis-paid you or just hand the winnings back?

Since I usually point it out to her, no "demand" is necessary.

[UNCBear4SJ]

If it’s in my favor I grab the chips as fast as I can without giving away that I noticed the mistake. If it’s in their favor I nicely point it out. AP is all about exploiting weak games - why would dealer errors be an exception? Would you point out that a dealer was flashing their hole card?

Hell, I do things to purposely increase dealer errors, especially with weak dealers.

I think I made myself pretty clear -- I give up occasional, small amounts in order to preserve the long-term advantage. Its worked well for me, but obviously YMMV.

[UNCBear4SJ]

T Again, this is the way I treat it...doesn't make it right for everyone.

Good points all. Glad that works for you. I usually react prior to there needing to be a lot of involvement. In my experience, if the pit boss is called over, she usually displays a greater respect for me and if other incidents come up in the future, much quicker to rule in my favor.
Later this same day, for example, there was a misdeal by another dealer where she accidentally exposed her hole card. Some houses and pit bosses would just push back the whole round. In this case, she gave me the option of playing the hand. When the 3rd base ploppy balked at taking a card (it was obvious that he needed a card), I told him to just take a card. The pit boss said, 'he knows where I'm going with this.' The pit boss then told the dealer to push all losses and pay the winners.

Just my experience, though.

[UNCBear4SJ]

Good question. If it only costs you a few dollars...then yes I too correct the dealer to my disadvantage, but do it subtlety. Dealers and pit remember when you do that, which can make them like you and let you play longer...maybe.
But usually only if I am heads up. If other players, then almost always no I don't correct my disadvantage.

Yup, as I mentioned, it is usually only me, or me and others I recognize as regulars. If it is a table of strangers and obviously ploppies, as was the case this past weekend, I hold my tongue and act like I'm not paying attention (stretch, lean away to check my phone, look for the cocktail waitress, etc.).

[Counting_Is_Fun]

I think I made myself pretty clear -- I give up occasional, small amounts in order to preserve the long-term advantage. Its worked well for me, but obviously YMMV.

Yep I agree. Optimus and others should read the OP more carefully. Question was not about over pays...

[ZeeBabar]

Yesterday, the dealer seemed in a daze. Count was TC+3. I received a 6,3 and dealer had an Ace up. I placed an insurance bet. The dealer, instead of checking for insurance, just flipped it over, had a 2 under for Ace, 2. Realized she had erred, called the pit over.

The pit guy said that since I had placed the insurance bet ($50) and the dealer did not have an insurance, that Zi had lost that bet. He instructed the dealer to take the insurance bet. He then asked me if I wanted to play the hand I could or take the money back and there would be a fe-shuffle. I really had no idea what to do. Since the count was positive and I might get one or two round after, I opted to play the hand.

I got a 10, the dealer busted with a pair of 10’,s won that round but the count was back to neutral, played out the DD at minimum.

Did the pit rule correctly, would you push back or play with a 6,3 against a dealer Ace, 2?

[21forme]

the dealer did not have an insurance, that Zi had lost that bet.

I've never seen a dealer have an insurance.

21forme wonders why Zi refers to himself in the third person when he posts, and misspelling his own handle, too.

Did the pit rule correctly, would you push back or play with a 6,3 against a dealer Ace, 2?

The answer to this question is in the EV charts in the appendix of Wong's Prof BJ.

[ZeeBabar]

I've never seen a dealer have an insurance.

21forme wonders why Zi refers to himself in the third person when he posts, and misspelling his own handle, too.


The answer to this question is in the EV charts in the appendix of Wong's Prof BJ.

My bad, dealer did not have a BJ. On my IPad, the “z” is right next to the tab I push to get a capital. So, when I try to hit the capital tab, I hit “z” and it appears as Zi .

Its not my practice to look up a book when I have friends who know the answer to what I am looking for. I don’t tell anyone who asks me the direction to the nearest anything (post office, gas station, etc) that he/she should look it up on his smart phone or map, I am not that rude.

[BoSox]

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar


Did the pit rule correctly, would you push back or play with a 6,3 against a dealer Ace, 2?

The answer to this question is in the EV charts in the appendix of Wong's Prof BJ.

You cannot find that answer in Wong's book.

[21forme]

My bad, dealer did not have a BJ. On my IPad, the “z” is right next to the tab I push to get a capital. So, when I try to hit the capital tab, I hit “z” and it appears as Zi .

OK, I get it...

You cannot find that answer in Wong's book.

Oops, you are right. Those EV tables are for dealer up card, not HC play. If you consider teh dealer's A2 same as a 3, it would be correct to play.

Zee, I was away from home when I answered your question and didn't have the book at my disposal.

[AngryCounter]

No. Dealer errors are my well deserved bonuses. In fact, after a dealer error has been made, I will distract the dealer so that they do not notice and correct their mistake.

Amen to that, Casinos make enough money already.

[ShipTheCookies]

Amen to that, Casinos make enough money already.

Casinos make more money than they should.

[tomf23]

Unless I know the floor saw it absolutely not

I've always seen the casino as an enemy anyway and this has always been my policy
After a few really bad experiences including one casino that tried to refuse to pay me out after the back me off in blackjack I know this is the right decision.