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    CVCX vs BJA

    I have run sims using both BJA bet simulator and CVCX using wong complete and, illustrious 18, flooring. However the RoR are off by 2.5%, Is my sim jacked? Or is there a programming difference? Is it possible to spread from 1x25 to 2x200 @tc 6 with 25k bankroll 4.5/6 and stay .1 of 1% ror?
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    I have had the same experience and am a Hi-lo flooring counter, I can’t seem to get a RoR number that I believe in, I don’t believe that the BJA rounding Hi-lo has the much difference in RoR
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyOcean View Post
    I have run sims using both BJA bet simulator and CVCX using wong complete and, illustrious 18, flooring. However the RoR are off by 2.5%, Is my sim jacked? Or is there a programming difference? Is it possible to spread from 1x25 to 2x200 @tc 6 with 25k bankroll 4.5/6 and stay .1 of 1% ror?
    Thank you
    Haven’t simmed, but much higher than .01 ror. 2x200 equates to single hand max of $300, which equates to 83 max bets. Bad variance will have you resizing in a jiffy.

    Full Kelly with reasonable rules will give you a single hand max $625 bet at true 6, which is outrageously excessive on a 25k bankroll - asking for trouble.

    FWIW, you’re not going to get a lot of true 6 hands playing 4.5/6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetWise21 View Post
    I have had the same experience and am a Hi-lo flooring counter, I can’t seem to get a RoR number that I believe in, I don’t believe that the BJA rounding Hi-lo has the much difference in RoR
    Something in my sim was jank I think. I'm guessing one thing is number of deviations used. There is an addition to cvcx that allows BJA deviations to be used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Haven’t simmed, but much higher than .01 ror. 2x200 equates to single hand max of $300, which equates to 83 max bets. Bad variance will have you resizing in a jiffy.

    Full Kelly with reasonable rules will give you a single hand max $625 bet at true 6, which is outrageously excessive on a 25k bankroll - asking for trouble.

    FWIW, you’re not going to get a lot of true 6 hands playing 4.5/6.

    Thanks for the response. I realized my math mistakes and found better spreads for me. That's the worse case game I would play and realized I should be calculating my trip risk based on best case because I will have more money out there in those games, thus experience more variance. Advice I have received is 40-50 x max bet and the trip bankroll I calculated came out to exactly 50 max bets!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyOcean View Post
    Thanks for the response. I realized my math mistakes and found better spreads for me. That's the worse case game I would play and realized I should be calculating my trip risk based on best case because I will have more money out there in those games, thus experience more variance. Advice I have received is 40-50 x max bet and the trip bankroll I calculated came out to exactly 50 max bets!
    My apologies. I was referring to total bankroll. 50 max bets as a trip bankroll is usually quite sufficient.

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