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    Tips for local casino longevity etc

    Hi All,
    I'm curious about some real things you all use to promote longevity.
    A couple of mine are pretending to drink and smoke. Do any of you do these or similar?
    Drinking
    I think this helps paint you as a "loser", especially early in the day lol. I go to the bar, order a shot and a coke...pretend to drink most of the shot...but really pour most of it back into the coke not being seen.
    Smoking
    I don't smoke, but the casinos think I do. I pretend to smoke as much as many ploppies do. And when asked, I always say I will step away from the table so that my smoke doesn't bother anyone. It's funny how my smoke breaks are almost always when the count is tanking.
    Any other's thoughts are welcome on this topic, thanks.

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    Be friendly to staff and other players.

    And the hard one - tip.

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    Basically comes down to "don't be a dick."
    • Be friendly to the staff -- all the staff
    • Toke generously
    • Cheer on ploppies when they have a good run
    • Be realistic in your session and daily earnings targets
    • Find another game that you at least can tolerate and doesn't blow too badly to throw a few dollars at so you don't come to be known as someone who only plays blackjack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Hi All,
    I'm curious about some real things you all use to promote longevity.
    A couple of mine are pretending to drink and smoke. Do any of you do these or similar?
    Drinking
    I think this helps paint you as a "loser", especially early in the day lol. I go to the bar, order a shot and a coke...pretend to drink most of the shot...but really pour most of it back into the coke not being seen.
    Smoking
    I don't smoke, but the casinos think I do. I pretend to smoke as much as many ploppies do. And when asked, I always say I will step away from the table so that my smoke doesn't bother anyone. It's funny how my smoke breaks are almost always when the count is tanking.
    Any other's thoughts are welcome on this topic, thanks.
    These are worthless unless you plan on being drunk every visit.

    You develop a game with betting structures that represent a "gambler" while maintaining an advantage and you also play short (<60 minutes) sessions. You may need to give up some EV in order to protect the longevity, otherwise you are at risk and unless you get very bad variance, the tap is coming.

    Don't tombstone and give them ~10 shoes to correlate with the count.

    Generally, you will be "defined" early in your visits to the local casino and then can play more freely if you are determined to be "no threat". Even so, short sessions will be important.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    These are worthless unless you plan on being drunk every visit.

    You develop a game with betting structures that represent a "gambler" while maintaining an advantage and you also play short (<60 minutes) sessions. You may need to give up some EV in order to protect the longevity, otherwise you are at risk and unless you get very bad variance, the tap is coming.

    Don't tombstone and give them ~10 shoes to correlate with the count.

    Generally, you will be "defined" early in your visits to the local casino and then can play more freely if you are determined to be "no threat". Even so, short sessions will be important.
    Stealth, his post is not worthless. Young newbies want to talk about BJ with their friends and there is a “cool factor” involved. People don’t want to hear about the fundamentals, they find it more interesting, the act he boasts about.

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    I think it’s different depending on where:

    Vegas
    -Pick a home chain generous with comps and play rated, play only in the main floor in busy times and rathole 2h of EV every hour in green chips. Cash rathole no more than 2 times a day.
    -Hit the home casino after a +30 betting unit win in a non home casino, hoping to catch a cooler shoe, lose and go back out.
    -Play unrated at non home casinos for no more than 3 shoes, or until one reaches TC+3, quit whatever the result and go to another casino.


    Home casino
    - Play rated, don’t play HL ever, play the floor and rathole 2h of EV every hour in green chips. Cash em on bathroom breaks no more than 2 times a day.
    - I toke half a hour of EV to dealers that give me a 30 betting unit shoe.
    - pick a ploppy game at low stakes after monster +50 betting unit shoes, I like craps on the pass line and come or Caribbean stud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCounter View Post
    I think it’s different depending on where:

    Vegas
    -Pick a home chain generous with comps and play rated, play only in the main floor in busy times and rathole 2h of EV every hour in green chips. Cash rathole no more than 2 times a day.
    -Hit the home casino after a +30 betting unit win in a non home casino, hoping to catch a cooler shoe, lose and go back out.
    -Play unrated at non home casinos for no more than 3 shoes, or until one reaches TC+3, quit whatever the result and go to another casino.


    Home casino
    - Play rated, don’t play HL ever, play the floor and rathole 2h of EV every hour in green chips. Cash em on bathroom breaks no more than 2 times a day.
    - I toke half a hour of EV to dealers that give me a 30 betting unit shoe.
    - pick a ploppy game at low stakes after monster +50 betting unit shoes, I like craps on the pass line and come or Caribbean stud.
    You mean you too think the original poster is nuts? You don’t order shots, act drunk...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCounter View Post
    I think it’s different depending on where:

    Vegas
    -Pick a home chain generous with comps and play rated, play only in the main floor in busy times and rathole 2h of EV every hour in green chips. Cash rathole no more than 2 times a day.
    -Hit the home casino after a +30 betting unit win in a non home casino, hoping to catch a cooler shoe, lose and go back out.
    -Play unrated at non home casinos for no more than 3 shoes, or until one reaches TC+3, quit whatever the result and go to another casino.


    Home casino
    - Play rated, don’t play HL ever, play the floor and rathole 2h of EV every hour in green chips. Cash em on bathroom breaks no more than 2 times a day.
    - I toke half a hour of EV to dealers that give me a 30 betting unit shoe.
    - pick a ploppy game at low stakes after monster +50 betting unit shoes, I like craps on the pass line and come or Caribbean stud.
    Are you suggesting you’re finding games where you can spread 30-1 and 50-1? That’s quite impressive. I get spooked betting 10-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by SplitEm View Post
    Are you suggesting you’re finding games where you can spread 30-1 and 50-1? That’s quite impressive. I get spooked betting 10-1
    Spread not mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    You mean you too think the original poster is nuts? You dohn’t order shots, act drunk...
    Ohh I forgot to say that yes, I drink when drinks are free, but that’s because I can hold my liquor and still count perfectly... if you get tipsy easily then don’t try it.

    Quote Originally Posted by SplitEm View Post
    Are you suggesting you’re finding games where you can spread 30-1 and 50-1? That’s quite impressive. I get spooked betting 10-1
    My spread is 10-1 99.5% of the time... when the TC is huge (experienced counters know the threshold) I’ll do 20x but that is still within 1% ROR for my BR., No I wouldn’t do a spread any higher than that no matter what, casinos that would allow such cheap minimum bets with a max bet are sweatshops that will back you off quick anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBear4SJ View Post
    Basically comes down to "don't be a dick."
    • Be friendly to the staff -- all the staff
    • Toke generously
    • Cheer on ploppies when they have a good run
    • Be realistic in your session and daily earnings targets
    • Find another game that you at least can tolerate and doesn't blow too badly to throw a few dollars at so you don't come to be known as someone who only plays blackjack.
    Yep

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    These are worthless unless you plan on being drunk every visit.

    You develop a game with betting structures that represent a "gambler" while maintaining an advantage and you also play short (<60 minutes) sessions. You may need to give up some EV in order to protect the longevity, otherwise you are at risk and unless you get very bad variance, the tap is coming.

    Don't tombstone and give them ~10 shoes to correlate with the count.

    Generally, you will be "defined" early in your visits to the local casino and then can play more freely if you are determined to be "no threat". Even so, short sessions will be important.
    Read more carefully. I am never drunk on any visit.
    And I do believe the smoking allows me to escape negative shoes with less scrutiny.
    Your other advice is for newbies.
    Last edited by Counting_Is_Fun; 02-25-2020 at 07:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    You mean you too think the original poster is nuts? You don’t order shots, act drunk...
    I think you both are nuts, and can never stick to the thread.

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